Totally biased debate already. What BS

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  1. Ctrl

    Ctrl Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I follow pretty accurately... perhaps your inability to quote correctly has made it difficult to find in my quote history. Feel free to simply direct me to the post which makes my link to the international red cross wrong. I will gladly concede my proof of what I assert to be conjecture on your part once you produce a more credible source. I give you the benefit of doubt. Tell me the post I missed... because you are an adult with a faithed source.

    Here is my source, which I have confidence in, again... all I ask is your post number to verify you even provided one (cause you didn't). Go.
    https://www.icrc.org/en/where-we-work/middle-east/syria
     
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    Summary of your message: You support Al Qaeda and ISIS as heroes fighting the evil Syrian government for which the USA military should arm and support those two terrorist organizations that you want instead to be an ally with.
     
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    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...ict-finds-115-of-population-killed-or-injured
     
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    Ctrl Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    OK! Lets pause here for a moment.

    We now have the potential to have an intellectual debate. Your assumptions about me, and mine of you no longer matter. We are debating a topic that we both believe in. Let us have an adult intellectual discourse OK? I accept the guardian as a reputable source. That alone might be a change of perspective which allows you to drop the antagonistic attitude toward me personally, hopefully anyway.

    I will resource this article... However I am curious how many of those deaths you feel the US is responsible for.
     
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    Sorry I'm going to sleep. Maybe latter.
     
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    Yes. Impeached for the lie.
    Thanks for confirming what I said. And since Donald Trump's sexualized bragging is nothing like Bill Clinton's excellent adventures with Monica Lewinsky
    a charge of hypocrisy is desperately off the mark.

    The REAL hypocrisy comes from the people who defended our Billy-goat horny president and now have a case of the vapors because Trump told locker room
    stories. A real bunch of two faced phonies with their politicized double standards. Thanks for being exhibit A.
     
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    From both sides. I agree.
    R's complained about bill's affairs and D's said no big deal.
    Now D's complain about don's lude/crude remarks and R's say no big deal.
    Hypocrisy is common among party people.
     
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    Iriemon Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Which "leftist" defended Bill getting a BJ in the WH?

    No, leading Republicans and conservatives "utterly amoral," a "pathological liar" "fraudster," “narcissist" "phony" "dangerous national security risk" "con man" "national embarrassment" who is "wholly unprepared to be president."

    Silly deflection.

    Who knows?

    I don't have to tell myself. The proof is in black and white.

    Trump lies over one year 10/1/15 to 10/1/16


    “Our African-American communities are absolutely in the worst shape they've ever been in before. Ever. Ever. Ever."

    Says a tweet he sent out "wasn’t saying, ‘check out a sex tape.’ It was just ‘take a look at" the background of Alicia Machado.

    "I finished" the controversy about where President Barack Obama was born.

    “My opponent has no child care plan."

    Says Hillary Clinton has "not answered a single question" about her immigration plan.

    The number of illegal immigrants "could be 3 million. It could be 30 million."
    Donald Trump is wrong that 'inner-city crime is reaching record levels'

    Says the U.S. election system is "rigged."

    Says Barack Obama "founded ISIS. I would say the co-founder would be crooked Hillary Clinton."

    "Hillary Clinton says she wants to, ‘raise taxes on the middle class.’ "

    "I’m beating (Kelly Ayotte) in the polls by a lot."

    "We have a fire marshal that said, 'Oh we can't allow more people’ ... And the reason they won't let them in is because they don't know what the hell they're doing."

    On gift taking, "Bob McDonnell took a fraction of what (Tim) Kaine took."

    Says Ted Cruz "never denied" his father was photographed with Lee Harvey Oswald.

    "We don't know anything about Hillary in terms of religion. Now, she's been in the public eye for years and years, and yet there's no — there's nothing out there."

    Says Hillary Clinton "has even deleted this record of total support (for the Trans-Pacific Partnership trade agreement) from her book."

    "For the amount of money Hillary Clinton would like to spend on refugees, we could rebuild every inner city in America."

    "The Obama administration was actively supporting Al Qaeda in Iraq, the terrorist group that became the Islamic State."

    "Crime is rising."

    "I wanted to keep it private, because I don't think it's anybody's business if I want to send money to the vets."

    It "is Hillary Clinton's agenda" to "release the violent criminals from jail. She wants them all released."

    "Look, we are at war with these people and they don't wear uniforms. … This is a war against people that are vicious, violent people, that we have no idea who they are, where they come from. We are allowing tens of thousands of them into our country now."

    Says Ted Cruz’s father "was with Lee Harvey Oswald" before the assassination of President John F. Kennedy.

    "Frankly, (Hillary Clinton) doesn’t do very well with women."

    The 2016 federal omnibus spending bill "funds illegal immigrants coming in and through your border, right through Phoenix."

    Says that when Michelle Fields "found out that there was a security camera, and that they had her on tape, all of a sudden that story changed."

    "Out of 67 counties (in Florida), I won 66, which is unprecedented. It's never happened before."

    "I don't know anything about David Duke."

    Says Ted Cruz "said I was in favor in Libya. I never discussed that subject."

    Says that in the Philippines more than a century ago, Gen. John Pershing "took 50 bullets, and he dipped them in pigs’ blood," and shot 49 Muslim rebels. "The 50th person, he said, ‘You go back to your people, and you tell them what happened.’ And for 25 years, there wasn’t a problem."

    "Don't believe those phony numbers when you hear 4.9 and 5 percent unemployment. The number's probably 28, 29, as high as 35. In fact, I even heard recently 42 percent."

    A Trump television ad shows Mexicans swarming over "our southern border."

    President Barack Obama "wants to take in 250,000 (people) from Syria."

    Says crime statistics show blacks kill 81 percent of white homicide victims.

    "I watched in Jersey City, N.J., where thousands and thousands of people were cheering" as the World Trade Center collapsed.

    The federal government is sending refugees to states with governors who are "Republicans, not to the Democrats."

    The Trans-Pacific Partnership "was designed for China to come in, as they always do, through the back door and totally take advantage of everyone."

    "I never said that" Marco Rubio was Mark Zuckerberg’s personal senator.

    Says Bernie Sanders is going to "tax you people at 90 percent."


    All in the year from Oct 1, 2015 though Oct 1, 2016, all:

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    http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/rulings/pants-fire/?page=1

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    Says to Hillary Clinton, "You heard what I said about (the Trans-Pacific Partnership trade deal), and all of a sudden you were against it."

    "NATO is opening up a major terror division. ... I'm sure I'm not going to get credit for it, but that was largely because of what I was saying and my criticism of NATO."

    Says "Hillary Clinton's plan would bring in 620,000 refugees in her first term, alone, with no effective way to screen or vet them. Her plan would cost $400 billion in terms of lifetime welfare and entitlement costs."

    Says Hillary Clinton’s energy agenda "will cost the U.S. economy over $5 trillion"

    Says top Clinton advisers "were pressing" birther movement stories "very hard."

    "I did not support the war in Iraq … The record shows that I’m right."

    "You will learn more about Donald Trump by going down to the Federal Elections" to see the financial disclosure form than by looking at tax returns.

    "I never said" that Muslims would be subject to profiling under his policies.

    "Hillary Clinton and her campaign of 2008 started the birther controversy."

    "Our veterans, in many cases, are being treated worse than illegal immigrants."

    "I was totally against the war in Iraq."

    "I released the most extensive financial review of anybody in the history of politics. … You don't learn much in a tax return."

    As governor, Tim Kaine "oversaw a huge increase in illegal immigration, a tremendous increase."

    Says Hillary Clinton "wants to raise taxes on African-American owned businesses to as much as nearly 50 percent more than they're paying now."

    Says Hillary Clinton is "proposing to print instant work permits for millions of illegal immigrants to come in and take everybody's jobs, including low-income African-Americans."

    "I had previously said that NATO was obsolete because it failed to deal adequately with terrorism. Since my comments, they have changed their policy and now have a new division focused on terror threats."

    "The Obama-Clinton war on coal has cost Michigan over 50,000 jobs."

    Says he saw videotape "of the people taking the money off the plane" to pay ransom to Iran for hostages.

    "Youth unemployment is through the roof."

    "An analysis showed that Bernie Sanders would have won the Democratic nomination if it were not for the Super Delegates."

    Says Hillary Clinton "wants to essentially abolish the Second Amendment."

    "Hillary Clinton invented ISIS with her stupid policies. She is responsible for ISIS."

    Says as GOP was picking a convention city, "I recommended Ohio."

    "Just look at what the FBI director said about her (Hillary Clinton) — her misconduct is a disgrace and embarrassment to our country."

    "As Secretary of State, Hillary Clinton laundered money to Bill Clinton through Laureate Education, while Bill Clinton was an honorary chairman of the group."

    Says Hillary Clinton "filibustered legislation to reform" Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.

    Says Hillary Clinton’s immigration platform would "create totally open borders."

    The Benghazi victims were "left helpless to die as Hillary Clinton soundly slept in her bed."

    "Because of Obamacare, you have so many part-time jobs."

    "I was among the earliest to criticize the rush to war (in Iraq), and yes, even before the war ever started."

    Even among "second and third generation" Muslims in the United States, "there's no real assimilation."

    There is "no system to vet" refugees from the Middle East.

    We’ve broken "by millions" the all-time record for votes in a GOP presidential primary election.

    "There are places in America that are among the most dangerous in the world. You go to places like Oakland. Or Ferguson. The crime numbers are worse. Seriously."

    Says Hillary Clinton "wants to abolish the Second Amendment."

    "You have to be a citizen to vote," but with same-day voter registration, "you have places where people just walk in and vote."

    "We're the highest taxed nation in the world."

    "In the history of Republican primaries, I’ve gotten the most votes in the history of the Republican party."

    ISIS is making millions of dollars a week selling Libyan oil."

    "I was totally against the war in Iraq, saying for many years that it would destabilize the Middle East."

    The Colorado caucus system for selecting Republican delegates is "rigged."

    Says Jeb Bush and Marco Rubio "had it set so that the winner takes everything, because they wanted to make sure that I didn't get anything" in the Florida primary.

    "My numbers are better right now than Ronald Reagan's numbers were with Jimmy Carter."

    Says Ted Cruz distributed the ad showing a nude Melania Trump on a rug.

    Wisconsin’s "effective" unemployment rate is 20 percent.

    "When those restrictions expire (in the Iran nuclear deal), Iran will have an industrial-size military nuclear capability ready to go."

    The Trump Winery near Charlottesville, Va. is the "largest winery on the East Coast."

    Under the Iran nuclear deal, "we give them $150 billion, we get nothing."

    Says the man who rushed the stage at him in Dayton, Ohio, "had chatter about ISIS, or with ISIS" in his social media posts.

    "GDP was zero essentially for the last two quarters."

    Common Core is "education through Washington D.C."

    The wives of the 9/11 hijackers "knew exactly what was happening" and went back to Saudi Arabia two days before the attacks to watch their husbands on television flying the planes.

    Says Mahatma Gandhi once said, "First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win."

    Says "the New York Times can write a story that they know is false" yet "they can't basically be sued."

    "We (Trump University) have an ‘A’ from the Better Business Bureau."

    When Mitt Romney chose Paul Ryan as his vice-presidential running mate, "that was the end" of Romney’s chances to win.

    "If it weren’t for me … (illegal immigration) wouldn’t even be a big subject."

    "Right now we’re the highest taxed country in the world."

    "I never once asked that (Megyn Kelly) be removed" as a debate moderator.

    Says Mexico can afford to build a wall because the country's trade deficit with America is billions of dollars.

    Among Syrian refugees and migrants coming into Europe, "there look like very few women. Very few children."

    The five Guantanamo detainees swapped for Bowe Bergdahl are "back on the battlefield."

    Canadian-born Ted Cruz "has had a double passport."

    The 9/11 terrorists' friends, family, girlfriends in the United States "were sent back for the most part to Saudi Arabia. They knew what was going on. They went home, and they wanted to watch their boyfriends on television."

    Says his plan would cut taxes without increasing the deficit.

    Says Ohio Gov. John Kasich "got lucky with a thing called fracking," which "is why Ohio is doing well."

    "Sixty-one percent of our bridges are in trouble."

    Says CIA Director George Tenet told the Bush administration that the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attack "was coming. So they did have advanced notice."

    "We have the highest tax rate anywhere in the world."

    Among Syrian refugees, "there aren't that many women, there aren't that many children."

    "The birther movement was started by Hillary Clinton in 2008. She was all in!"

    Says Mexico doesn't have birthright citizenship, and Americans are the "only ones" to have it.

    Under the Iran deal: "If Israel attacks Iran … we’re supposed to be on Iran’s side."

    "We have 93 million people out of work. They look for jobs, they give up, and all of a sudden, statistically, they're considered employed."

    "We’re the most highly taxed nation in the world."

    "Some of the things that (Megyn Kelly) said, I didn’t say."

    Illegal immigration "wasn’t a subject that was on anybody’s mind until I brought it up at my announcement."

    Under President Barack Obama, income levels and unemployment numbers "are worse now than just about ever" for African-Americans.


    All in the year from Oct 1, 2015 to Oct 1, 2016, all:

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    http://www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-trump/statements/byruling/false/?page=1
     
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    :roll: Would you like their individual names? Get real.
    The better question would be who among the DNC firmament did NOT defend Bill Clinton and called his inappropriate exploitation of a much younger subordinate intern a "personal matter" that was irrelevant in his role as president.
    Please...don't insult my intelligence with your absurd attempt at deflection.


    That's a one sided view but even so, it makes my point
    perfectly. Thanks so much.

    They do! Their personal encounters with the presidential pervert makes their views on the issue infinitely more valuable than yours.


    You think your long cut and paste garbage (thanks for the waste of space), without context or a counter example, proves Trump lies more than Hill and or Bill? What an embarrassing assertion. Really, really absurd.


















































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    Are the petty Waze still whining about Trump's locker room talk?
     
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    Iriemon Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Another claim you can't back up. SSDD.

    Just your kind of guy, eh?

    Since you weren't there you certainly don't know.

    No valid response to the irrefutable proof of just how big a liar Donald is, as expected.


















































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    LOL...if that helps you imagine you "won" then...sure, whatever. Go ahead and let your imagination run wild. It does me no harm if you indulge in your politicized fantasies.

    He's not Hillary. That's the main thing and I don't have to like him except for that one special requirement.


    Nor you, once again. I trust the views of people who were there over yours, however....oddly enough!


    Oh...were you expecting me to refute that long list of lies, and not lies? Sorry. I don't claim Trump is a truth teller. Only that his lies pale in comparison to Hillary and Bill's and Hillary's lies compromise American security and make a mockery of our laws.
    Trump is a liar but not the dangerous monstrous liar Hillary is. The end.
     

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