Trump denies official coronavirus death rate based on his 'hunch' and suggests

People with deadly virus can go to work (title cont'd)

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...cases-symptoms-hannity-fox-news-a9376756.html

Trump used the word "hoax" while discussing this virus (and Trump supporters now think there is a deep state conspiracy going on), he said that the U.S. numbers were going to go significantly down (we are now at ~160 cases), he said we would have a vaccine in a matter of a few months (it will take more than a year), he suggested using the flu vaccine for the coronavirus (you can't), and now this "****ing moron" is telling Americans to dismiss the WHO conclusion because of a "hunch."

Remember, it was this administration that put infected passengers on the same plane back from Japan as non-infected passengers, against the advice of the CDC. And then there is the whistleblower who has said so many mistakes were made in HHS in dealing with coronavirus patients, and Trump is silencing this whistleblower. He also dismantled the CDC pandemic response team in 2018 because... Obama.

 

When you have science deniers at the helm, that's what you get.

Actually, I should revise that. Trump doesn't really care about the science one way or the other. What he cares about is chance of re-election. That's why the virus outbreak must be denied, so people continue to work and spend, even if they are sick, keeping his "magical" Trump economy going. I don't think he understands that without containment, he'll have a national health crisis way before November.

 

While discussing the Democrat criticism to his administrations handling of the virus, not of the virus itself. Just so we're clear you're not still pushing the debunked myth lie fake news that Trump called the virus a hoax - are you?

And honestly lets consider where the bulk of the stats making up the global death rate came from: CHINA. A country where all information is controlled by the pro-censorship government, a country with terrible healthcare and terrible personal hygiene standards, a country that has both cultural and financial reasons to lie. And not only that but by virtue of the vast differences in each nations ability to respond to and treat infections the death rate will vary largely country to country.

So is it really unacceptable to question the "global" death rate?

 

The man is so creepy. Now we'll have thousands of uber partisans going to work, sick, when they should be at home or visiting a doctor. Nothing spreads a virus faster than ignorance.

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/03/05/trump-disputes-coronavirus-death-rate-121892

 

Here's the interivew....show me where he says the things you claim.....

 

As the president, he should try to prevent public panic, but he also needs to be realistic about the potential dangers, so people don't do stupid things, for example go to work when they are sick.

He must realize that if he downplays the risk, and we then get a full outbreak, he will have to pay a political price. Or maybe he doesn't realize this, because he thinks he can outsmart the virus?

 

good grief, trump did not call the virus a hoax. Can you please get real facts instead of NPR/CNN/ABC/NBC diatribe

 

I too have thought the coronavirus statistics and information put out by 'experts,' put out in the early days of this infection, have been just guesses.

How did they know to put out a 14-day quarantine before the first people were recovering?

And stuff...

 

GMA Coronavirus Powder Keg This Morning on ABC:

The numbers are nebulous and gossamer. The numerator is known, that is, eleven, but the denominator is completely, totally, absolutely, and categorically unknown.

At this point in time any talk about death rates is a complete waste of time.

Complex charts and graphs are at this point in time are totally meaningless.

 

Minute mark 23:22.

 

I very specifically said that he used the word hoax while discussing the virus. That happened.

 

Yes, it is unacceptable for the President to question the global mortality rate based on a hunch. You want to project confidence that the rate will drop or that Americans will experience a much lower mortality rate thanks to the ability of our healthcare professionals and facilities to respond? Go ahead.

As to Trump's usage of the word hoax while discussing the virus. That happened when he said, "The Democrats are politicizing the virus...this is their new hoax." Now, even if you think that it is absolutely clear what he meant - and let's be clear that I do not because I do not understand how the Democrats' response qualifies as a hoax - then you should still criticize Trump for even using the word because there is a segment of the population who will now believe that the virus itself, or the threat posed by the virus, is a hoax because of Trump's messaging.

And I would note that the fact that Trump immediately dropped that language from any further messaging is proof that he recognized the potential misunderstanding. Granted, he is still ****ing up - as recently as last night - by contradicting the WHO mortality estimates based on a hunch.

 

Goin' to work would only spread the Chinamen's...

... biological warfare...

... Granny would be against dat...

... just like she is with open borders.

 

Bit more to the speech than that but of course media selectively edits in order to present a narrative. Full rally here. But the very fact he was speaking about the virus, the administrations efforts, the US healthcare system's response, and so on should be a clear enough indication that hes not claiming it doesn't exist. So no, friend, I wont criticize Pres Trump for using that word because the segment of the population who now believe in a myth are doing so not because of the President's words ...but because of media's manipulation of the President's words.

 

Even if you accept that Trump's message was incapable of being misunderstood by someone who listened and paid attention to the end speech, it is STILL a ****ing dumb idea for the President to use that word while discussing the virus because the quote, on its own, can absolutely and reasonably be understood to imply that either the virus itself or the threat posed by the virus is a hoax. Or to put it another way, it can be misunderstood with the absolutely nominal manipulation of quoting him.

And here's the thing. You mention the context, but what about the context provided by noting all of the times that Trump has downplayed or objectively lied about the threat of this virus? What about the context of all the times that Trump has railed against the Deep State, the Media, and International Organizations? What about the context of the fact that Trump no longer says the word hoax while discussing this virus?

 

If we get a full outbreak it will be because people don't cover their mouths when they cough, because people wont wash their hands, because people aren't prepared to stay in their homes and ride it out, because people cant afford to stay home from work and ride it out, because people, because people, because people, because people. We're an interconnected biological terrestrial community.

There wont be a mass sudden outbreak just because the President predicts a low death rate BUT you're surely right that he will be (and already is) blamed for it, politically, none the less.

 

Maybe he is smart enough to understand that every other time you folks cry wolf, the wolves go home hungry...

 

If you didn’t know the President lacks character (understatement) you know now.

 

If not for Fake News, we'd have no news at all.

 

Dude, this isn’t that hard. It’s simple math. Of the REPORTED cases 3.4% are fatal. Nobody is arguing that, not even trump. But, unless you know how many cases BOTH REPORTED and UNREPORTED, the percentage doesn’t mean anything. Not everyone sees a doctor for the flu, I’m sure most people don’t. If 50% see the doctor, the percentage of deaths is cut in half.

 

Yes, and people will do just that if they are made to believe that this is just as harmless as the common cold.

Maybe people can't afford to stay home. People can't afford to stay home in China either. Yet, they had to. The virus doesn't care about affordability.

 

Quote what he said there....

Is it if you are sick you should go to work? That’s what you said he said

 

If not for rote denialism, you'd have zero options for defending trump.

 

The thread is based on a lie.

 

It isn't a difficult concept, which is explicitly why Trump is a ****ing moron for thinking that he should publicly opine about something that is absolutely obvious to the WHO doctors that published their analysis. It takes a true moron to think they are the first person to think of something like, "There might be unreported cases."

The President has a position of utmost authority and the ability to persuade his supporters. Trump should use that to let the experts speak for themselves and then to project confidence about the ability to handle what comes next. To outright contradict the medical experts by calling it a "false number" is ****ing dumb no matter how you slice it.