Trump ended the rule blocking mentally ill people from getting guns.

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  1. Well Bonded

    Well Bonded Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    It's sad you fail to understand the lies proffered by GCA movement and are tricked into believing their lies.

    Your polling facts are very untrue.

    Maybe check the questions asked before staking your reputation on such polls.
     
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    I'm not taking some silly little opinion of an anonymous poster above my source. lol
    You got nothing.
     
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    Nightmare515 Ragin' Cajun Staff Member Past Donor

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    The way I portrayed how voting works in the US is factually correct. The US does not operate as a democracy nor do we entertain majority rules in regards to law making, Constitutional Amendments, or voting for President. As you know this is a democratic republic, but as you said we do indeed vote for the representatives that represent the "will of the people". In theory anyway.

    I am not the one continuously saying that "the majority of Americans want X". It doesn't matter what the majority of Americans want that's not how our government works. If you need proof look no further than this prior Presidential election. The majority of voters who cast their ballots voted for Hillary Clinton.

    She is not President of the United States.

    90% of American citizens could be polled saying they support a repeal of the 2nd Amendment outright. Unless Congress is able to obtain a Super Majority vote and ratification by 38 states then it doesn't matter what 90% of the people want because our government doesn't work that way.
     
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    That’s why I sometimes keep GCAs engaged. They either expose their deceptions or ignorance if given enough rope. Sometimes it’s a matter of asking questions. Often though, they don’t realize how inane their posts can be, but anyone with reason can see the vapor and the persistent and tenacious defense of the ignorance learned from from others without question.
     
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    Well Bonded Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    When it comes to ignorance the GCA's have the market cornered.

     
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    It has been demonstrated conclusively, by yourself no less, that it is not possible for yourself to even explain how an AK-47 semi-automatic rifle differs from any other semi-automatic rifle currently available on the private market. Nor can it be explained what the phrase "waging war like a soldier" actually amounts to in practical terminology.
     
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    If there is neither desire nor intent on the part of yourself to explain and elaborate on the statements that are being presented by yourself, then remove yourself from the discussion entirely. The posts being presented on the part of yourself add nothing pf relevance to the discussion, and are in violation of existing forum rules and guidelines.
     
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    No, you're not.
     
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    I sourced my definition, and that you can not accept it. Well, that aint my problem. And we've been through the entire thing of that soldiers are able and trained to shoot an assault rifle as a semi to rage war. And that such capabilities shouldn't be in the hands of your average citizen since time and time again they massacre other civilians with those weapons. People are fed up. I sourced that too.
     
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    You're just ranting off track with questions about lobby groups, that aint going anywhere. If you do not have an argument or do not dispute something... than I aint interested in things you supposedly do not know.
     
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    prove it
     
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    Could you get a few more buzzwords in your next post?
     
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    The Army doesn't want rifles that are just semi for average troops. They want select fire rifles with the option for either semi-auto or 3 round burst or more recently returning to full auto. The latter of the two select fire choices are what classify a rifle as an assault rifle, without either of those two being available for selection the rifle is not an assault rifle in spite of what your personal definition of the term may be.

    Yes, military assault rifles have the ability to be fired pure semi-auto, which in that particular setting makes them more or less exactly the same as the regular off the store shelf AR-15. The AR-15 cannot select 3 round burst or full automatic mode, that is where they differ which makes them two different rifles.

    This little bit of education on the subject matter will actually gain respect among the gun community and have them more willing to at least hear what you have to say. If somebody starts saying things like "You have the same guns as the military" then the vast majority of the gun community is going to dismiss you outright with the belief that you have no idea what you are talking about.

    If someone who believes in banning ARs spoke to me and began explaining the terminal ballistics of 55g or 62g 5.56 in regards to penetration and soft targets etc then I would listen to what that person had to say. If somebody speaks to me and says things like "You shouldn't be allowed to have the same assault rifle that Soldiers carry in war" then I'm not even going to entertain that persons argument.

    Folks tend to be more receptive when you have taken the time to educate yourself a bit about the subject you are arguing against. But if you can't even so much as explain to me WHY an AR15 is "so deadly" (it's not the 30 round magazines) then I'm not going to hear you out.
     
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    "People who receive mental health benefits" is such a vague and misleading description -- a stereotype, really -- that 99% of results would be false.

    Trump was correct.
     
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    The title of the thread is anti-gun click bait attempting to paint Trump as having done something evil, when the truth is, the Executive Order signed by Obama stripping the right to own a firearm by tens of thousands Social Security recipient's, simply because they have a family member assigned to manage their money, was the true evil.

    But don't try to explain that to a Rights violating anti-gunner.
     
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    This is 100% the fault of liberal democrats. They will not allow preventative measures to halt illegal immigration and they aid, abet and shelter illegals that commit crimes. So, are you saying that opposing liberal democrats and their seditious ideas is racism? If you are, you are crazy.

    All the blood that has been shed since 2008 and Obama's occupancy is on democrats' hands. All of it.
     
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    But that rule would have applied to all kinds of mental services. What we really need is a rule that allows physicians and mental health personnel to report people with mental condition which indicate the potential for violence to the system- something that at present is protected by the rules of medical privacy.
     
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