Trump on LGTBQ rights

Discussion in 'Gay & Lesbian Rights' started by JakeJ, Jul 26, 2016.

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Do you agree with Trump on LGTBQ rights?

  1. Yes, LGTBQs should have same rights & protections

    81.8%
  2. No, LGTBQs should not have same rights & protections

    9.1%
  3. Yes, transgender should be allowed to use bathroom of gender identity

    36.4%
  4. No, transgender should not be allowed to use bathroom of gender identity

    22.7%
  5. Yes, gays should be allowed openly in military

    59.1%
  6. No, Bill Clinton was right for no gays openly in military

    13.6%
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  1. Ddyad

    Ddyad Well-Known Member

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    Of course you do.
     
  2. ProgressivePatriot

    ProgressivePatriot Well-Known Member

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    Really? Who?
     
  3. Ddyad

    Ddyad Well-Known Member

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    The rather benign tags that you attach to the end of your posts are enough for a large part of humanity to approve of your summary execution. Surely you know that.
     
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    ProgressivePatriot Well-Known Member

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    Let me see if I've got this right. You've decided that I'm gay, right? The fact is that I could never decide who is more moronic....those who assume that people who support gay rights are gay, or those who assume that people who are rabidly anti gay are straight.

    This whole meme of your ...that Trumps support for promoting self defense by gays by allowing them to have weapons- along with everyone else-including those who want to kill them- as proof that he is "pro gay" is not credible. Either, you are delusional, or you know that it's a crock of crap but promote it, as does Trump, as a sick ploy to appear to be pro gay, and avoid the label of bigot, while ignoring the fact that there are a hell of a lot of people out there that are inciting violence and discrimination against and gays who Trump and his minions are in bed with.
     
  5. Ddyad

    Ddyad Well-Known Member

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    Read again. I refer to your end tags. Do they indicate that you are gay?

    Pro gun rights is pro gay. There is nothing subtle about it. All this absurd hate for Trump is frankly incredible.
     
  6. aCultureWarrior

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    As pointed out in my above post, he has many friends that are proud and unrepentant homosexuals and drag queens.

    Which makes him a great fit for the LGBTQ movement, they have none either.

    Yet he's made numerous pro LGBTQ statements.

    The Republican Party Platform is probably the most conservative that it's been in years (they even attempted to get reparative therapy for the sexually confused i.e. homosexuals and transsexuals on the platform). Donald Trump has never (and without a doubt will never) embrace that platform, but does continue to embrace (as Senator Ted Cruz pointed out) his "New York values" (admiration for Planned Parenthood, socialist economics, etc.).
     
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    It's really too bad that liberal Donald Trump isn't "aligned" with the values of the pro traditional family values Republican Party.
     
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    I would imagine that proud and unrepentant homosexual and avid Trump supporter Milo Yiannopoulos put that shirt on after homosexual Omar Mateen went into a Orlando FL nightclub and murdered 49 other homosexuals because he was angry that he unknowingly had sex with an HIV positive one. (The LGBTQ so-called "community" is riddled with violence).

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    JakeJ Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Newspapers put their stories on social media. What law says it is a crime to post someone's name, address and/or phone number on social media?
     
  10. Ddyad

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    All those "violence" prone gays were disarmed and helpless when they were slaughtered.
     
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    LGBT people have nor core values?? That in itself deeply undermines the veracity of everything else you have had to say. Now I know everything that I need to know about you. You are not someone who deserves to be taken seriously.
     
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    I don't care if he has gay friends...if in fact that is true. How can you call someone a friend who does not support equality you? They are fools! Any one who does not support full equality is no friend of the LGBT community

    Donald Trump: 10 Comments On Same-Sex Marriage

    http://www.thenewcivilrightsmovemen...nts_that_show_where_he_stands_on_gay_marriage
     
  13. JakeJ

    JakeJ Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    What is the "gay community?" I suppose you'll next be explaining the "agenda" of the "gay community." Is one of those goals that all gays be thrown out of the USA military ala Clinton style?
     
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    By "gay community" I am referring to all of those who share common concerns- specifically to be treated equally but you already knew that. Once again you have demonstrated that you cant deal with or refute the truth about Trump so you desperately try to make it about Clinton. Like a few others here, you are either lying about what it is you actually believe, or have some serious cognitive issues.
     
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    Keep in mind that prior to NAMBLA defender Frank Kameny and his band of LGBTQ thugs harassing the American Psychiatric Association into removing homosexuality from it's list of mental disorders circa 1973, homosexuality was just that: a mental disorder.

    That being said: Do you really think it's wise to arm people who engage in a changeable behavior who disproportionately abuse alcohol and drugs, who disproportionately have domestic disputes, who disproportionately commit serious acts of violence (i.e. murder) ? These poor lost souls need spiritual and often times psychiatric help (many were abused as children either physically and/or emotionally), not to be told that they're victims and should arm themselves.
     
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    Those who engage in homosexual behavior borrow any good values that they have off of Judeo/Christian doctrine and throw out the rest. Disease, violence and premature death is not a "core value" that any group of people should embrace.
     
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    Ted Cruz brought out Donald Trump's "New York values" during the Presidential debates. Trump is no different now than when he was a proud liberal, only now he has to pretend that he is somewhat conservative to get the evangelical vote. The guy is a sociopath who puts his finger to the proverbial wind numerous times a day to see what is popular to say. He is also a sexual deviant (accused rapist, pornographer, etc.) which makes him a very good ally of the LGBTQ movement (they share the same "core values" ;) )
     
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    I suspect that a good trial lawyer could make a strong case that all human beings suffer from some kind of "mental disorder" and offer ample documentation from the forests of psychiatric literature.

    If homosexuals are more prone to violence they have an even greater need for the 2nd amendment right to defend themselves from each other. I bought that they are all that much more violent than the greater population. The daily mass shootings in Chicago, Baltimore etc. are not perpetrated by the LGBTQ community.

    Homosexuals have generally been an engine for human progress, creativity and cultural advancement. Are you familiar with the service of the great UK code breaker during WW II who was destroyed by the nation he had done so much to save? That kind of nonsense just had to stop.

    The better approach, always the American approach, is to let people do their own thing unless there is a very compelling reason to sick the government on them.
     
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    You should read his book, the Art of the Deal. I read it a few weeks ago. Trump has not changed much since he began expanding his father's business.

    He expressed the same frustration with government waste and abuse in the 80s that he expresses now. He is clearly not an ideologue, or a politician, or a liberal, or a conservative or a typical Republican. Republicans, Democrats, liberals, conservatives and politicians are all lined up with the MSM in opposition - many if not most now supporting Clinton. Hence Trumps popularity. ;-)
     
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    Nonsensical blather. How the hell do you "borrow values" ? You either have them or you don't. Disease, violence and premature death are not "values at all" They are what happens to oppressed minorities.

    If you want to talk about real values how about the belief in work, love, family? How about faith? They are all the same values that heterosexuals claim to have and that gay people live by. This is just more bigoted bovine excrement,
     
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    I see from your signature line that you have a religious psychosis. That explains a lot.
     
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    yah because he knew 15 years ago he would be running for president and that by the time he decided to run his views on gays would be mainstream and accepted. Trump is a visionary
     
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    No idea what right-wing site you pick your information from but in reality you are just being the parrot for others, and while there certainly was some lobbying of the APA to remove homosexuality from the DSM (which by the way did not happen in 1973, homosexuality was merely shifted into a new category of mental issues called "sexual orientation disturbance", It was not until 1987 that homosexuality completely disappeared from the DSM), it was not the main reason for the shift, those reasons came from dissent within its own ranks, including data from researchers such as Alfred Kinsey and Evelyn Hooker.

    oh dear only one answer for this :roflol::roflol::roflol:
     
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    When will people learn/acknowledge that a statistically greater chance of A, B, C doesn't mean that all members of some group have those issues, and that those within it who do are still a minority of the group?

    Using the argument that "group Y is x% more likely to have problem 'Z'", in order to propagandize against the whole group = I ignore you, because your shenanigans are a waste of my time and energy. People who think that it makes sense to extend the particular to the universal this way illustrate little more than their complete inability to apply basic logic.

    If you're going to stereotype and troll whole groups of people, and least come up with something original and creative, rather than these boring nonsense arguments that prove you don't understand jack about the pitfalls and limitations of trying to extract 'truth' from statistics.

    :sleeping:
     
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    The evangelicals have nobody to vote for otherwise. It seems the people have spoken in the primaries. They didn't want Cruz. Seems new York values are seen as better than Cruz's values.

    The progressivism on the right in regards to religion and attempting to legislate morality is its downfall. That behavior makes hypocrites of the right and people see it. I don't think right wing politics is going to survive unless they return to its roots. Moving back to goldwater style republican values.

    The religous progressive/regressives hijacked the republican party in the late 60s as a cultural back lash to the hippy culture. They have so deeply ruined the party that they run Donald trump.
     

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