Trump says US will ‘destroy’ Iranian gunboats that harass American ships

Those who actually need to "give it a try", on both sides, probably prefer not to, even as each side tries to push the envelope and see how far it can push it. However, if they do 'give it a try', we can revisit the issue then and see if either side has much of a navy around the Persian Gulf or vicinity left.

 

700 km, eh? While this range is certainly impressive, I'll see all of your ballistic missiles, and give you a single B2 bomber.

 

I see your B2 bomber and raise you with this, which is a lot more sophisticated than the older, Iranian built, anti-aircraft system that took out the Global Hawk drone flying at a very high altitude as well.

 

he was less than an iranian general he was a terrorist and insurgent who killed Americans and was trying to kill more. There is absolutely no justification for defending him or having any beef with his justified killing. he was the bad guy.

i say if Iranian gun boats mess with American war ships just run them over and destroy their bases. if they launch missiles at anyone in retaliation destroy their military and seat of government,

 

YAWN,,,,,,, f 35's will have those gone so we can use b 52s

 

My friend,

You cannot see the B2 bomber!

 

Indeed.

 

A MARK VI IN THE ARABIAN GULF LAUNCHES A PUMA: A U.S. Navy Mark VI patrol boat operating in the Arabian Gulf launches an RQ-20B PUMA Unmanned Aerial System. The photo illustrates how a small naval combatant can use its own drone “air force” for local surveillance. President Trump has told the Navy to sink Iranian vessels if they harass or threaten American ships. Mark VI patrol boats are fast and agile and are used to monitor Iranian “speedboat swarms.” Here’s a Surface Forces update from 2019 which discusses the Mark VI and the U.S. Navy’s “rediscovery” of coastal patrol boats. The update also discusses the Navy’s Cyclone class patrol ships, like the USS Thunderbolt, which engaged an Iranian vessel in 2017.

 

The US won't be flying B2 bombers without first trying to suppress Iranian air defenses. But the real issue has never been the US ability to inflict what I have called "aerial vandalism". That is a given. What you don't understand is that the US has no real way to prevent Iran to do the same on its bases, vessels and interests in the region in return, using its missiles. Missiles the US cannot take out, simply because many of them use mobile launchers to fire off solid fueled missiles that can be prepared and fired very quickly. Heck, the US couldn't even take out Saddam's Scuds during Desert Storm, despite those being liquid fueled (needed up to a day to fuel, allowing for easier detection) and even though their range was such that they had to be fired from a very narrow area in Iraq. Despite US intelligence/reconnaissance/satellite assets coordinating Saudi bombings against the Houthis, the Saudis have not been able to even take Houthis missiles either. And it is the same story everywhere. In fact, the US was blindsided with Iran's launch of this military satellite because (while it actually was launched from a facility the US would have under surveillance), it used a mobile launcher and came to the facility for the launch and fired off the satellite quickly.

 

Pay close to attention to their launchers. Here is a hint: they aren't stationary.

p.s.
In the meantime:
https://theaviationgeekclub.com/ira...an-shoot-down-f-22-and-f-35-stealth-fighters/
IRAN SAYS ITS NEW BAVAR-373 LONG RANGE AIR DEFENSE SYSTEM CAN SHOOT DOWN F-22 AND F-35 STEALTH FIGHTERS

 

Oh no mobile sams?? Hell. That's a job for f-16s no low observables needed.. weasles gonna gettem

 

Even our old F-14s, as modified and modernized by Iran, should be able to take care of F-16s If not, I am pretty sure Iran's air defenses can take them out.

p.s.
This article is meant as 'food for thought'. Iran has proven the capability and accuracy of its missiles, cruise missiles, and drones in actual combat. But the Iranian air force itself has not really flown too many missions against any serious foe in a very long time. So I admit there are probably more questions than answers when it comes to the actual capabilities of Iran's air force.

https://militarywatchmagazine.com/a...ts-are-very-bad-news-for-tehran-s-adversaries

 

Mossad to the rescue! Blow up them Iranian air defenses!

 

Iran says?

Oh boy...

 

´ ~ Iran just got a brand new Pop Gun - Made In China ! I wonder if the thing will even work ... ? ´

 

Missiles will rain down on Israel and perhaps El Saud - and all of our bases in the region. The situation is not so simple as you paint.

 

Do we yet have a smart bomb in storage somewhere with the name Ayatollah written on it?

 

No doubt we do - Sure the Iranians have a few with "Death to America" inscribed on them as well

 

Indeed. But with the Middle East weaponry, you never know how they’ll perform

 

Your video is silliness. We did have some idea how their missiles perform - they have been working on missile technology for decades. Not sure how much help they got from the Russia-China-India consortia - and we know they were working with N Korea.

Then we got the 2 demonstrations - real world - in one case against an Refinery defended by the "Patriot System" the second in retaliation for Sulimani - pinpoint bombing with high accuracy at a large distance.

Now we know their missiles perform very well - as stated - far better than expected. There is no reliable defense against ballistic missile - never mind cruise missiles for which there is cross your fingers and hope to get it with your shotgun.

The response on the Patriot system - "its not designed for that type of attack" so OK - it is designed for ballistic missiles - something with a predictable trajectory and velocity .. which is why cruise missiles/drones are a problem.

We are very bad at hitting things that have a predictable trajectory. Israel has the most experience - with their iron dome - but while it is not too bad .. perhaps 80%. These are slow moving rockets.. with a predictable trajectory - and they miss 20% of those.

It is a whole world of pain difference for a ballistic coming at you at 3 miles per second.

Now for something you don't now is coming until its pretty much there - like a cruise missile. There is no reliable defense to this.
Iran has thousands of thousands of all types.. to the point where it becomes an exercise in over saturation. More missiles than you have ammo to defend against.

This is a particular problem with ships due to limited ammo capacity.

So goes the cycle of History. As technology spreads - the cost of projecting power increases - to the point where it bankrupts the Empire.

 

The most prevalent, and the most irritating to me, propaganda is the one that tries to link Iran's missiles and other systems to foreign designs and technology. It is irritating because it is ultimately based on nothing! While Iran used to have some limited assistance from China, Russia, and North Korea, that was a long time ago (mostly in the late 1980s/early 1990s). Russia and China themselves stopped working with Iran under US pressure and then voted for the UN arms embargo on sale of any weapons to Iran. An embargo that is about to expire soon because of the JCPOA, but which the US is trying to extend. As for N.Korea, the volume of traffic (commercial, air traffic, sea traffic, people flying) between the two countries is simply negligible.

Anyway, without much confidence that this will ultimately make any difference as the propaganda is quite prevalent, let me say the following:

1- Iran's most accurate ballistic missiles, the Fateh family of missiles (e.g., Fateh-110, Fateh-313 etc), which include some of the missiles used against the Al Asad air base, and whose derivatives are found in Iran's anti-ship ballistic missiles (Khalij Fars, Fateh Mobin et al), are not even claimed to be based on any foreign designs. They are well understood by all experts (even those who engage in the typical propaganda) to be Iranian designs and not comparable to any system anywhere else. The same is true with the family of missiles that became the launching pad for all of Iran's solid-fuel missiles: the Sejil long range missile. No country in the world has any system that resembles these. Good or bad, they belong to Iran alone. Not a single source can even pretend these particular missiles have any foreign design or counterpart.

2- Iran does have another family of missiles which have evolved from the larger Scud family of missiles, including some that have evolved from models that used to be based on the "Scud" family of missiles. The evolution of the latest generation of these missiles (such as the Qiam missile, also used in the attack against the Al Asad air bases) makes them incomparable to any missile right now used in any other country. But these missiles can be traced to the Scud family, and in turn to some of the N.Korea designs, in their evolutionary path. A good, detailed, informed, technical analysis of Iran's "Scud" family of missiles (which explicitly does not cover the other missiles used in the Al Asad attack, namely the Fateh-313) can be found HERE.

3- There have been furious attempts to link Iran's Bavar 313 anti-aircraft missile system to the Russian S-300 or S-400 systems and technology. A detailed study about them shows that is entirely false too, even if the propaganda assumption that it "must be based on some foreign technology" (even if we don't know which and what) is still found even in this study HERE.

Anyway, I do find the propaganda on this irritating, but I also wonder why is it relevant? Ultimately, even Iran (which has to work on its systems on its own due to sanctions) will of course learn from others and that is true of any military force anywhere.

 

On the contrary, the U.S. Navy Standard II missiles guided by the AEGIS combat system has proven to be highly reliable against both ballistic and cruise missiles.

I can link to the test results if you like.

 

Except for Iranian weapons, used extensively in various conflicts raging in the region, and by Iran as well, we do have a very good clue! If you want, I will post pictures, videos, and other things to remind you.

All these other "Middle Eastern" countries you have in mind, combined, haven't yet produced a single gold medalist in any scientific Olympiad. None have produced any winners of the mathematics equivalent of the Nobel prize. None can pride themselves reading about a 16 year old teenager from Iran defeating the world's top rated chess champion. (Just a few days ago, a 16 year old Iranian kid defeated the world's chess champion. (See HERE)). They don't rank even close to Iran in scientific rankings. They don't produce much, never mind weapons.

Lets be clear: Iran ranks among the top countries in the world in terms of science, especially in purely technical subjects including fields such as aerospace engineering. You can go HERE and find the rankings in different subjects and overall. Iran has produced 2 mathematicians who have won the the equivalent of Nobel prize in mathematics (the Fields award) (ranking among the top 6 in the world in this regard) the past few years (see HERE), and has more gold medals in math Olympiads (and many other science fields such as physics, chemistry, astronomy etc) than all of the countries in the Middle East (including Israel) combined (see HERE for medal count per country). In fact, more medals than almost any other country in western Europe, with only Germany and UK among all the countries in western Europe having just a few more gold medals than Iran (Germany has 51 and UK 48, while Iran has 45 Gold medals). France (24 gold medals), Italy (15 gold medals), Spain (no gold medals) and every other country in Western Europe has fewer (often far fewer) gold medals than Iran.

 

No it hasn't - and save your Lockheed Martin Link

 

We are definitely overdue for a manufactured military crisis over some 'harrassed' American vessels in an election year virtually months before the balloting to overshadow failures in the economy and health care system. Christ, this is so brazen and obvious.