Trump shocks by hawking $60 MAGA Bibles

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  1. Bluesguy

    Bluesguy Well-Known Member Donor

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    Got my daughter a baseball cap with that emblazed on it, bought it at the "Spy Musem" in Washington DC. It was perfect.

    Hey I just want the resident Bidener/Leftist to finally state what should the goal, at what tax distribution would it be "fair".
     
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  2. Patricio Da Silva

    Patricio Da Silva Well-Known Member Donor

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    Reread my comment. It explains why your premise is nonsense.
     
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    Patricio Da Silva Well-Known Member Donor

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    That's a back-pedal argument. Two thousand were separated permanently for a crime no greater than a misdemeanor, and they shouldn't have been separated in the first place, not for a misdemeanor.

    The separations were the consequence of 'zero tolerance'. That consequence is precisely why no prior administration ever had it.
     
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    I have read it. I prefer to save 85,000 children verses 2000 children.
     
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    kriman Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    What crime caused 85000 children to be separated from their families? And not only that, many likely ended up in terrible conditions as opposed to the 2000 who likely ended up in good homes.
     
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    Taxation is political and never about being "fair" or even "progressive".
    It is always all about transferring power/money from a political opposition's base to the base of the political faction in power.

    "Unquestionably, there is progress. The average American now pays out twice as much in taxes as he formerly got in wages." H. L. Mencken
     
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    The moral left is an oxymoron.

    Keep complaining. We don't care.
     
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    Patricio Da Silva Well-Known Member Donor

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    That's rich considering your guy is a con man, fraudster, criminal, sex pervert and now criminal defendant.
     
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    Patricio Da Silva Well-Known Member Donor

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    Your point has already been debunked.

    Stop repeating this nonsense.
     
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    Patricio Da Silva Well-Known Member Donor

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    I don't care what you prefer.

    Reread my comment. It explains why your premise is nonsense.
     
  11. kriman

    kriman Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    And you don't care about 85,000 children because they were lost under Biden's watch rather than Trump's.
     
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    Says a Biden and Clinton voter.
     
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    Patricio Da Silva Well-Known Member Donor

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    That's true, but doesn't change anything.
     
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    No, it doesn't change the obvious hypocrisy at all.
     
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    "By law, the Department of Health and Human Services is responsible for keeping these children safe when they arrive," the attorneys general said in their letter. "That responsibility includes reuniting children with family or placing them with a sponsor who will protect them from trafficking and exploitation. But that Department is not living up to its responsibilities, and the cost of that failure is tens of thousands of missing children."
    “Losing 85,000 kids is like losing the entire population of Sioux City," Bird said. "This is unacceptable. As a mom, it makes me sick to know that many of these missing kids have been trapped into forced labor and exploited by heinous sex traffickers. It’s the federal government’s job to keep these children safe. I’ve joined with 21 other attorneys general in demanding that the Biden Administration immediately locate and protect these children.”

    State attorneys general say more than 85,000 children lost at the border | The Highland County Press[/QUOTE]
     
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    This goes back to the resources argument.

    It takes resources to locate the parents of that many children, but understand they are arriving unaccompanied at th border, and that's altogether different that what zero tolerance policy did.

    And why aren't' there enough resources?

    Because Republicans won't pass the border bill.

    Now please find another argument, what you are implying lacks context. There are two sides to that story, and you are only telling one side.

    on Trump's zero tolerance, there is only one side, that the policy is DIRECTLY responsible for children being lost. They do not arrive lost, but they wind up lost. that isn't what is happening in your example, they are arriving lost.

    During Trump, there were about 500,000 unaccompanied minors who arrived at the border, and how many of those do you think Trump returned to their parents?

    It's not known, but it sure is hell is a lot more than 85,000

    So, if you want to make an apples to apples comparison, I find it odd you don't mention Trump.

    What does Trump do? He pushes them over to Mexico side, and says 'not my problem'.

    That's cruel and inhumane, and any 'stat' you can derive from it is an immoral stat and unusable.

    But all you can do is bellyache about the border, which you guys do not want to solve anyway, as if we solved it, you guys wouldn't have something to complain about Biden about.

    That's the real reason Johnson doesn't want to put the border bill to the floor for a vote, he knows it would pass.
     
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    This newsweek article tracked down the source of that article, and naturally, the right wing has distorted it beyond recognition. I'd say that claim had been debunked.

    https://www.newsweek.com/under-joe-biden-undocumented-children-missing-1812728

    All that pontificating, and you didn't do your homework.

    I guess I have to do it for you.

    I had a hunch there was something fishy about your claim.
     
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    None of this would have been necessary with a wall. A few would have made it through, but it would have been greatly reduced.
     
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    The democratically controlled NY Times originally published the story. Lot of words, but the article did not debunk anything.
     
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    And Biden and the Lefist should be made to state exactly what the fair share is of each group they seek to achieve. That they refuse only shows we are far past what even they would say is UNfair.
     
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    Politics is never fair because -- politicians.

    And "Under every stone lurks a politician." Aristophanes
     
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    Yep the lawyers stick to the mud banks.
     

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