Trump trial dates and the election

I have never seen any evidence of either party taking third party voters seriously, no more seriously than non-voters.

Again, as a practical matter, one of the two major party candidates will win, and I don't want my third-party vote help to elect whomever I regard as the less desirable.

 

A third-party vote didn’t help nor hurt any major party candidate. If both candidates were tied 100-100 prior to a third-party vote, they’re still tied after the third-party vote. No third-party vote belonged to any major party candidate to begin with. What about those who decide to stay home whether than choose between two undesirables?


At least one who votes third party for president, has a chance, a say in the down ballot offices whereas one who stays home has no voice at all. I do understand where you’re coming from. Most folks do choose the candidate they want to lose the least or the lesser of two evils. That’s a given.

 

OMG!
For starters Cannon FORGOT to swear in the perspective jury pool and had to begin again with jury selection.
Did the defendant get a sweetheart deal due to Cannon's ****-ups?



'Trump documents case judge made multiple errors in earlier trial'

'WASHINGTON, Aug 4 (Reuters) - The judge in former U.S. President Donald Trump's upcoming trial over his handling of classified documents made two key errors in a June trial, one of which violated a fundamental constitutional right of the defendant and could have invalidated the proceedings, according to legal experts and a court transcript.

Florida-based U.S. District Judge Aileen Cannon closed jury selection for the trial of an Alabama man - accused by federal prosecutors of running a website with images of child sex abuse - to the defendant's family and the general public, a trial transcript obtained by Reuters showed. A defendant's right to a public trial is enshrined in the U.S. Constitution's Sixth Amendment.

Cannon, a 42-year-old former federal prosecutor appointed by Trump to the bench in 2020 late in his presidency, also neglected to swear in the prospective jury pool - an obligatory procedure in which people who may serve on the panel pledge to tell the truth during the selection process. This error forced Cannon to re-start jury selection before the trial ended abruptly with defendant William Spearman pleading guilty as part of an agreement with prosecutors.

Cannon's decision to close the courtroom represents "a fundamental constitutional error," said Stephen Smith, a professor at the Santa Clara School of Law in California. "She ignored the public trial right entirely. It's as though she didn't know it existed."



https://www.reuters.com/legal/trump...ade-multiple-errors-earlier-trial-2023-08-04/

 

Since the trial will be held in Washington, DC, Trump is convicted before it starts. With a Washington, DC jury, all Democrat politicians are innocent and all Republican politicians are guilty. You don't even need to poll the jury. The vote is by acclamation.

That's why the Durum investigation when nowhere. As soon as it was established that the trial would be in Washington, DC the verdict was in immediately.

 

You are talking nonsense, and you know it. But congrats on getting really creative with your excuses. Something tells me you are unwilling/unable to actually talk about the details of the case.

 

Nope, talking truth. but the Democrats need a fig leaf of a trial to make it look like it's fair. DC juries are a joke.

And I will remind you. In one sense I don't care if Trump is convicted. I want him out of the race.

On the other hand, using the courts to eliminate your political opponents sets a dangerous precedent. If the Democrats can jail their political opponents on trumped up charges, they have a lot in common with Putin and Xi.

In case you missed it, I don't have much respect for the conduct of the Democrat Party these days.

 

Yet you are trying to hold Trump above the law. Hmm. Should it be illegal to investigate or indict Dems while a Republican is in office? That's absolutely insane. The precedent you are fighting for is FAR more dangerous than anything you are criticizing.

 

If you want to indict Trump for inciting the January 6 riot, go ahead. You might have a case although he sent out emails asking them not be violent. Trump definitely has bad judgement. There is no question about that.

As for the rest of it, it's all nonsense. Trump should have thrown in the towel by the end of November, but he didn't He should have starting planning for the 2024 race at that moment, but he's too stubborn. Is he guilty of bad judgement and a huge ego? Absolutely. Was asking Mike Pence to block the election wrong? Yes, but it's not illegal, and It didn't happen.

Your side wants one party and party only. That is the goal. You want no opposition. That's what these indictments are all about.

 

I don't. And that hasn't happened.

He isn't being charged for what he SHOULD HAVE done. He's being charged for what he ****ING DID.

Your imagination is cute. I was registered third party until recently. I've voted for the GOP. I've voted for Dems. I've voted for third party members. I'm sorry you can't imagine a reality in which people care about the Constitution.

You are openly defending the overthrow of democracy. I'm sorry. I can't back that.

 

BS Where I am doing that?

Oh, he will be indicted for that. Trust me. When more dirt comes out on Biden, another Trump indictment will be the distraction. That's been the pattern for weeks.

The trouble is the Trump indictment strategy is getting old.

 

Ah, so now you agree that it is okay to criminally prosecute attempts to do so? Funny how you have changed your tune.

As cute as your imagination is, it is immaterial. Do you want to get back to defending Trump's attempts to overthrow democracy?

 

That only confirms that the justice system, despite the rampant paranoia of some, is scrupulously apolitical.

All the legal peril that Trump has brought on himself allows him to throw tantrums, lash out at officers of the court, and flail his victim card, wee-weeing up those who worship the court-confirmed sexual abuser.

If his not being above the law is an opportunity to gain support, he will be afforded ample opportunity:

He faces as many as four criminal trials and two civil trials over the next 18 months, which means his courtroom dramas will likely coincide with primary election dates, when Trump will be on the ballot in some states along with candidates battling for Senate and House nominations...

Trump’s trial in Manhattan on 34 felony charges related to his payment of hush money to an adult film actress is scheduled to begin on March 25, while his trial in South Florida on 40 criminal charges related to his handling of classified documents at Mar-a-Lago is scheduled for May.

Special counsel Jack Smith has called for a “speedy trial” for Trump in Washington, D.C.’s, district court on four Jan. 6-related criminal charges, prompting speculation the Department of Justice wants to wrap up the trial before the Republican presidential convention scheduled for mid-July in Wisconsin.

[https://thehill.com/homenews/senate...-trials-prompt-gop-political-doomsday-alarms/]
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Trump claims that each instance of his being held to account increases his support, so one might conclude that the justice system in aiding him in what he claims is his attempt to win the presidency a third time.

Nevertheless, he has been indicted by multiple grand juries assessing the evidence against him, and fantasy "whaddabout" prosecutions of other folks are irrelevant and ineffectual attempts at diversion.

The overall strategy by Trump appears to be to defer justice until the next century. His co-conspirators are falling in lock goose step with that strategy:

Record numbers of criminal cases are tried in Florida’s Southern District every year, where attorneys ready to join a blockbuster fight should be easy to come by, former prosecutors and criminal defense attorneys say.

But Carlos De Oliveira, the latest defendant charged alongside Donald Trump in the alleged mishandling of classified government documents, has yet to secure a lawyer who can practice in the state, delaying his plea in a pattern some say is playing into Trump’s attempt to draw out the case....

That De Oliveira, 56, of Palm Beach Gardens, had obtained counsel in Washington but no one to represent him in Florida was “comical” and “almost funny,” said Dick Gregorie, a 40-year veteran of Florida’s Southern District...

“I think that’s comical,” Gregorie said. “Here’s a guy from Palm Beach and he can find a lawyer in Washington, D.C., but in the busiest criminal district in the country, in the Southern District of Florida, he’s not able to find a lawyer? It’s almost funny.”...

But even after the charges were announced in a superseding indictment and De Oliveira made his first court appearance, his defense team was still working to lock down local counsel.

“This is a delay tactic,” said Dave Aronberg, the state attorney in Palm Beach County. “I’ll walk outside in a couple of minutes. I’m going to trip over at least three lawyers who are admitted into the Southern District of Florida. You’ve got to watch your step.”

[https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/poli...s-delay-tactic-by-florida-lawyers/ar-AA1f0gpj]

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Trump will not spend a day in prison. Even his most vicious political enemies won't go that far. They want to somehow make him ineligible to run. Because they're afraid. I've heard a few pundits say no actually dems WANT Trump to run, because they beat him before and can easily do it again. Seemingly to insinuate that they KNEW all the indictments would make his poll numbers go up. BS. They're not that clever. Afraid plain and simple.

So suppose they succeed and take Trump out of the race...what happens then? Do they figure Trump supporters will then vote Democrat? No they will flock to whoever challenges the dem candidate. And the never Trump Republicans? Will vote Republican, whoever the candidate is, so long as it isn't Trump. The independents? From what I can tell, many are ready to try conservative (the ones who haven't already decided to vote third party regardless) , but don't like Trump. So what do we think will happen? The Democrat party should be careful what they wish for.

 

I think you have almost everything wrong. Trump is being charged because he crossed the line into criminal activity in a few areas. He spent much of his life toeing that line, and as president your actions become more noticed as well - of either party. The documents case is really airtight, less sure about the others. Unless Trump gets elected and asks his DOJ to toss the case, it is highly likely he will be convicted and spend some time in prison.

The criminal charges do not prevent him from running and winning. It certainly ought to make people not want to vote for him, but after 2016 nothing really can surprise us.

Democrats in general are ambivalent about Trump running. On the one hand, he should be easier to beat than the average republican because he turns off moderates. On the other hand, he is a complete disaster as a president and would do more harm than any likely alternative (though DeSantis might be a more competent disaster).

I'd give Trump a better than 50% chance of winning the nomination, but about a 30% chance of winning the general (though that's not trivial). If he loses, he will go to prison. If he wins, he may not.

 

I don't think the DOJ would sentence him to prison. I don't think they would risk it.

They say he got 80 million votes last time. My guess is very few of those voters have changed or will change their minds. Then he could pick up more with quality of life having gone down under Biden. If Biden isn't the candidate (and I don't think he will be) some of those might try dem again. It's gonna be interesting at any rate!

 

# 5 or # 6?

Trump's heading to this trial on Jan.29,2024


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Good for reference

;These Are the Key Dates in Donald Trump's Legal Cases—and Re-Election Bid'

Aug. 10, 2023: Arraignment in Florida in classified documents case

'Trump will be arraigned in Fort Pierce, Fla. after the Justice Department charged him in a superseding indictment with three additional felonies related to his alleged mishandling of classified documents after leaving the White House.

Aug. 10, 2023: Hearing in Georgia

A judge in Cobb County, Ga. will consider a petition from Trump’s lawyers after they filed a motion to remove Fulton County District Attorney Fani Willis from her probe into Trump's alleged efforts to overturn Georgia's presidential election results.

Aug. 11, 2023: Protective order hearing in Jan. 6 case

Trump will appear in federal court in Washington, D.C. for a hearing to address what he can publicly say about the evidence gathered in the case.

Aug. 23, 2023: First GOP presidential primary debate

Although Trump will qualify for the debate, he has signaled that he might not participate in the televised affair and questioned his need to share the stage with candidates who lag behind him in the polls.'


cont:
https://time.com/6301429/donald-trump-cases-election-timeline/

 

The DOJ doesn't sentence anything. And it wouldn't be prison. It would be jail.

 

Stock market went up after Biden took office ... just say'n. Sorry, there are far bigger factors impacting the markets than the person in the Oval Office
or the dick head Trump who used to be in the Oval Office.