Trump victory in Iowa raises alarm in Berlin: 'High time to prepare'

I hope our European and Asian allies have a Plan B, just in case the orange buffoon wins the election?!! The U.S. under Trump will no longer be a viable ally nor leader of the free world either?!! I think our allies would be reluctant to give a Trump administration sensitive data or intel, I wouldn't?!!

Following former US president Donald Trump's victory in the first Republican primary, German politicians have called on the government to prepare for the possibility of another Trump term in office.

"The German government can no longer ignore domestic political developments in the United States. The US is too important a partner for that," Jürgen Hardt, a senior lawmaker from the conservative CDU/CSU opposition bloc, told dpa on Tuesday.

Although many Iowa Republicans did not vote for Trump, Hardt said it is nonetheless "high time to prepare for a president Trump."

Trump's bellicose rhetoric during his first term in office and open skepticism about US foreign commitments such as the NATO alliance caused great concern in Germany and throughout much of Europe.

The prospect of another four years of Trump could have serious implications for Europe, especially if Trump were to reduce US aid for Ukraine.

CDU foreign policy expert Norbert Röttgen told the Tagesspiegel newspaper that Germany and the EU must prepare for Trump by ramping up their arms production "so that Ukraine can defend itself against a Russian attack even without US help."

"Europe's freedom depends on this," Röttgen said.

Agnieszka Brugger, vice-chairwoman of the Green Party, said a more radical US policy under Trump would have negative consequences for international security, solidarity and respect for international law.

The current debate in the US Congress on further military aid for Ukraine shows how dangerous isolationism in large parts of the Republican Party is for European security, Brugger said in a statement.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-vic...114225905.html

UNPLEASANT SURPRISE

 

At Trump's first NATO meeting, he told our European allies that if they were attacked, the US wouldn't be there to defend them.

 

I like THIS cartoon better:

 

Europe needs USA way more than USA needs Europe. Just a fact of life.

 

And the other fact of life, Putin would love America to withdraw from NATO and become isolationist while Russia and China gobble up the remains and destabilize the current world order WHICH IS DEMOCRATIC.

 

Remind me again of all the wars started during the Trump years. What Europe is worried about is them not paying into NATO and Trump forcing them to do it.

 

Really ?

Explain that to me.

 

Nonsense. The pay schedule and amount by NATO was setup by Obama and it was paid to that schedule. Trump just whined loudly, made a stink about a already agreed on payment schedule and then took credit for Obama's schedule. Facts and timeline is hard reality.

 

Given the rapid decline in the stability and the rapid increase in social discord that the current German leadership have fomented in Germany, It's hard to take them seriously. Merkel actively worked to destroy Germany as a country. Make them weak and ineffectual, and now this guy says somehow Trumps getting back into office will be worse than a continuation of the Biden effort to launch into WWIII??? It's laughable

So since y'all brought it up, is this the neoliberal call to arms to keep the meat grinder of Ukraine up and running? And to what end? To make room for all of those migrants that make progressives so pleased with themselves as they see a method to getting their slaves back?

 

Europe is virtually devoid of natural resources. Russia can walk into Europe, and that is part of the fear when they take Ukraine. Europe due to its location and divide is incredibly vulnerable to enemies in the east. USA has an entire ocean separating themselves. USA has abundant space and natural resources, we don't need to rely on other countries to defend ourselves. Europe would lose a war of attrition.

 

No argument there.

 

If Russia attacked Poland, would you agree with Trump to renege on the signature the American people made to our ally +70 years ago?

 

I think we need to evaluate each incident one a time. Would we rather honor a 70+ year agreement and go into nuclear war? Or would it be a smarter play to renege on that agreement to avoid nuclear war?

 

Both Russia and China tell anyone who listens that they are also democratic. When the old Soviet union held an election, virtually every eligible person voted. So, when you decry that Europeans are "democratic" how do you differentiate them from what happens in modern Russia?

Chinese folks vote. The have one option, and they vote for it. Are you saying this isn't what you refer to as Democratic?

It's hard to know. You support the democratic party removing their political opposition from the ballot in this country, and somehow you still believe yourself to be a democratic person? Really?

 

If a Trump Presidency kept Putin from invading Poland would you give him any credit for keeping the peace? You will recall that it was during Obama that the Crimea was handed to Russia, and then nothing during Trump, and as soon as Biden got into office, it was the Eastern portion of Ukraine that suddenly was attacked. And yet, in your mind, the real danger is Trump reneging on our NATO obligations? Really?

 

You don't understand how a mutual defense agreement like NATO works.

If one member is attacked, all the others come to its defense.

In other words, you'd rather kneel before Putin than defend the US's allies.

MAGA honor in all its glory .

 

Tell us again, which countries in NATO met their 2% obligations again... And where was the congressional approval of the Obama payment schedule again?? Who ratifies international treaties in your mind? Just the emperor Obama? or did you forget that part again??

 

It's an interesting question. The elites of the world all agree that the population of the world needs to be actively reduced by ~90%. Do you suppose that folks, like Biden who rely on the support of those folks would hesitate in the slightest to launch to achieve that goal?

 

I asked a simple question and you deflect the subject.

Can't you defend Trump on that?

 

But your missing what they are saying. The are saying they need us, but that with Trump as POTUS they dont trust that we will be there for them when they need us.

This isn't a trivial comment by our Eurpean Allies. You can claim all you want that Trump is "keeping us out of wars", but you would be wrong because by NOT stopping the first aggressions by our enemies, because they are against others, he would allow our enemies to get stronger with every country they take. Biden knows this, which is why he is funding the Ukrainians. You understand that if Ukrain falls to Russia, Russia conscripts all Ukrainian citizens to fight against the US and he takes l of their armements to use against the US, and all of that countries resources to make more.

The US didn't win WW2 alone, we had a lot of help from our allies, who if we let Putin win now, will all be fighting WITH Putin against US

 

There are 31 countries in NATO, so if Putin goes after one of them he also has to fight off 30 others and he can’t even beat Ukraine. And don’t forget, all of Putin’s wars started with democrats in the WH.

 

What defense is necessary? The empirical evidence suggests that your assertion is fanciful at best. My evidence refutes your assertion. Why try to deflect from that? And , as mentioned, if Trump keeps Russia from attacking Poland, will you give him credit or not? Why evade the simplest of direct questions? Is it that your intent isn't to be honest here? To insinuate rather than to find fact? That seems certain. Otherwise you would have answered the question.

And since you find this so difficult to do, why aren't you willing to admit that what mr Obama and now mr Biden have done is horrific? It's like you refuse to acknowledge the actual conflict to imagine what Trump might do, all evidence to the contrary, and your'e unwilling to indict either democrat for their criminal complicity in the deaths of all of those Ukrainians, and now Russians because Bribed Joe is handing out US arms like candy?

 

Let's be honest for a minute. Obama, and now Bribed Joe Biden are war mongers. They cling to their power as a reflection of their accedence to the arms merchants of the world to destroy parts of the world to make their financial backers money.

 

You haven't answered my question.

I'll give it one more try.

If Russia attacked Poland, would you agree with Trump to renege on the signature the American people made to our ally +70 years ago?

 

We heard all the doom and gloom and chicken little non-sense last time.

He'll start WWIII, he will destroy the country, mother's and babies will be dying in the streets.

None of which came true.