Trump weighs restarting economy despite warnings from U.S. public health officials

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  1. struth

    struth Well-Known Member

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    Yes they also have a Global Health team...that was recent created in response to the Obama admin failures with Ebola...but the key mission of the CDC is the nation's health protection.

    https://www.cdc.gov/flu/pandemic-resources/planning-preparedness/national-strategy-planning.html

    IT should be noted one of the main reasons we have a shotage of mask is because the Obama/Biden Admin used up the stockpile in 2009 and refused to restock it...the Obama/Biden Admin failed to follow the plan.

    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/...-was-depleted-under-obama-and-never-restocked

    We did not have a group in the White House doing it....and Trump fired nobody
    https://www.factcheck.org/2020/03/democrats-misleading-coronavirus-claims/
     
  2. WillReadmore

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    I DO listen to them. I also compare what is said to what the CDC and others say.

    There is a lot written about the relationship between Dr. Fauci and the president. The doctor can not immediately rebut what the president says every time something false is stated. When criticized for not correcting more of what Trump says, he points out that he can't jump between Trump and the microphone. And, he can't suggest that Amerians should not listen to Trump, as he is the president.

    So, if you've watched you've seen Fauci immeiately correct some stuff, do a face palm at other times, and say nothing at other times. And, Trump appears to no longer be willing to have his lies correced - so Dr. Fauci isn't around anymore, in favor of someone who is clearly far less willing to press for truth.
     
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    Bolton actually did the firing. This is Trump's administration.

    What's your argument? Are you suggesting that the president didn't know?

    And, your "factcheck" link does not counter ANYTHING I've said.

    Obama's ebola response was highly successful - as I've pointed out to you in the past. Plus, it doesn't compare in any way to our current situation.
     
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    AFM Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You repeatedly spread falsehoods which are rebutted repeatedly. As they say on Shark Tank "For those reasons I'm out".
     
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    Am I the only who does not even know anyone who knows anyone with this damn virus? I swear from the media coverage you would think 50% of Americans are suffering from it.

    Of course I might have it, and many around me and not even know it, might not suffer from it in any measurable way.
     
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    The link specially says the team was not fired.

    Yeah so great it lasted three years, and the CDC has to establish a global response team. You calling it successful doesn’t match the facts.

    I do agree it’s nothing like the Chinese virus
     
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    I don’t know anyone. Half of US cases are in New York.
     
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    Yes - our friend is afflicted with BidenThink - note interested in facts, only truths. And Ebola is not very contagious thus much easier to contain.
     
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    Louisiana75 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I don't know of anyone personally. Also, we do not have any cases in my county yet.
     
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    Do you deny that Trump doesn't know a fraction of what he claims to know? Do you deny that subject matter experts have to set him straight from time to time? Are you not aware of the frequent presidential temper tantrums when that sort of thing happens?

    Denial is an acronym: Don't Even kNow I Am Lying.
     
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  12. WillReadmore

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    It's still a fact that it's increasing exponentially.

    Let's remember that a few months back NOBODY had it. Everybody in the nation was like you.

    Now, not so much.
     
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    Great idea. Yank retired people out of their homes and stick us all together in a f@&king abandoned warehouse or a seedy old fleabag motel. Don't you love your mother?

    No, thank you. I'm fine right here in the home that I paid for with my own hard-earned money. Plus, no way an I leaving my dog.

    ffs
     
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    The POINT is that Trump killed the group that was working on a plan for addressing the problem that we NOW have.

    The people were either fired or reassigned to other tasks somewhere in the government.

    You can TELL this by the fact that nobody in the federal government has had a plan for addressing COVID.

    What we are doing is what was designed and implemented by governors.

    Trump says he wants to put some sort of an end to those plans. Since governors don't agree with him, I wonder what he thinks he can tell the governors to do.
     
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    Totally untrue it’s what the cdc does and the plan was in place and it’s being followed

    no we aren’t these guideline came from the CDC. Geez you apparently have no clie what’s going on.
     
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    Yes before anyone was tested
     
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    Don’t some of these health officials know that when there’s no economy left there won’t be a country to save?

    Let’s weigh the scenarios. 25%+ of the population lose their jobs, millions of businesses close and the stock market crashes. EVERYONE SUFFERS!!! Vast amounts of the populations’ lives are ruined. Many might or will commit suicide. The country may recover after a decade but will never be the same.

    OR

    1 or 2 million sick and/or old, potentially die who probably would have died soon anyway? Some innocents suffer. Social Security gets a boost. Some people are sad. A statistical small potion of the population is negatively affected. In a decade those who died would have died anyway.
     
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    More comedy. Keep the laughs coming.
     
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    It helps to follow the discussion instead of spinning off on a rant. It was comical however. Keep the laughs coming.
     
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    IMO most of us in the over 70 demographic would rather take our chances than see the economy go into a deep recession causing permanent economic harm to our kids and grandkids.
     
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    Let’s stop lying shall we. No one killed a group responsible for disease control. And how many people had the virus for the past few months and we never knew? No mass death?
     
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    My parents and in-laws both agreed they would rather have a healthy economy and a life savings, than live but have nothing to show for it. What good is a retirement when everything you saved is gone? And your kids and grandkids are suffering? What’s the point? If i was old and had a good life, how selfish a prick wouod I be to sacrifice the well being of EVERYONE so I can live another few years?

    it makes no logical sense!!!!
     
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    You KNOW they don't.

    Or, they would have had a plan. The CDC provided information that allowed state governors to each create their own plans.

    Today, we don't have consistet reporting of test outcomes. There is no method for marshalling needed medical equipment to where it is needed most. There is no coordination of sourcing supplies. Etc., etc.

    You're just wrong about this. What the CDC does is for other countries.

    And, we don't have any federal level group that is acquiring this knowledge to maintain what we are learning so that it can be improved for next time.

    We do have that for physical natural disasters like floods, hurricanes, etc. with FEMA - which has significant resources, a reasonably appropriate budget and has planning that is coordinated with every state before disasters strike. We don't have that for contagious disease.
     
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    I agree. I'm just over 50 but would feel the same if I were 70.

    Cats out of the bag so the economy will suffer but I hope Trump and others keep pushing to open the economy. If not the weak knees will keep it closed for 3-4 months "just to be safe" which is absolute insanity. Easter is 20 days away basically and Trump mentions it and sets off people like he is talking about this Saturday or something. Nuts.
     
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    No, you're just wrong about this. The group got killed in 2018.

    FEMA doesn't know when or where disasters will strike, either. Yet, FEMA planning, equipment, etc., is important.

    We don't have anything like FEMA for disease emergencies. Clearly it would be shaped differently, as the problem isn't identical. But, having no planning slowed our response by requiring each state to figure it out for themselves.
     

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