You've got well over a thousand posts per month in the short three months since you joined, "Rosa Parks." Everyone who has been reading your prolific comments are fully aware of your white supremacist sympathies.
You missed several. Early in 1861 Tennessee, Arkansas, North Carolina and Virginia all voted against secession. The Constitutional Unionist candidate Bell won in Kentucky and Tennessee. Maryland and Missouri did not secede. Again, it is not clear that there was ever a majority in the South that favored secession
This charge because I asked an informed poster if the CSA Constitution and Seal actually mentioned slavery? How is that trolling? The act of war that was voted on in the South was secession. Lincoln and the USG had not outlawed slavery in 1861.
No, I missed one. And it still was not as you said "many." Four out of eleven is not many. Dates of Secession South Carolina: December 20, 1860 Mississippi: January 9, 1861 Florida: January 10, 1861 Alabama: January 11, 1861 Georgia: January 19, 1861 Louisiana: January 26, 1861 Texas: February 1, 1861 Virginia: April 17, 1861 Arkansas: May 6, 1861 North Carolina: May 20, 1861 Tennessee: June 8, 1861
You are still missing several Southern slave states that rejected secession shortly before the Civil War began. Kentucky, Missouri, Maryland, Virginia, Arkansas, and North Carolina. 6 out of 11 is a majority - right? 3 of those Southern states remained in the union after the attack on Fort Sumpter.
Prove it? To You? If God himself came down and told you that the bible was fiction, you still wouldn't believe it. You would just convince yourself that it was Satan talking.
As I said many posts ago and as I have said all along: Some Christians approved of slavery; Some Christians disapproved of slavery. Both sides claimed the same source for their guidance - The infallible Word of God - The Holy Bible.
Well, look at you, fudging numbers again -- & counting Union states (North) as southern states -- which means the number wouldn't be eleven, would it? It would be fourteen, and even then see Kentucky and Missouri below. And everyone familiar knows the complicated situations that went on in the factioned borders states -- very, very complicated and messy, and indeed Dates of Secession - http://www.libs.uga.edu/hargrett/selections/confed/dates.html South Carolina: December 20, 1860 Mississippi: January 9, 1861 Florida: January 10, 1861 Alabama: January 11, 1861 Georgia: January 19, 1861 Louisiana: January 26, 1861 Texas: February 1, 1861 Virginia: April 17, 1861 Arkansas: May 6, 1861 North Carolina: May 20, 1861 Tennessee: June 8, 1861 Kentucky: Ordinance passed by people in 1861 Missouri: Ordinance passed, but not presented to people So no, you're still wrong, got caught finagling the numbers -- and apparently have trouble with the map:
Maryland's official state song (still, to this day) - penned spring 1861 -- calling the Northerners SCUM: <snip> Dear Mother! burst the tyrant's chain, Maryland! Virginia should not call in vain,Maryland! She meets her sisters on the plain- "Sic semper!" 'tis the proud refrain That baffles minions back amain, Maryland! My Maryland! VII I see the blush upon thy cheek, Maryland! For thou wast ever bravely meek, Maryland! But lo! there surges forth a shriek, From hill to hill, from creek to creek- Potomac calls to Chesapeake, Maryland! My Maryland! ... I hear the distant thunder-hum, Maryland! The Old Line's bugle, fife, and drum, Maryland! She is not dead, nor deaf, nor dumb- Huzza! she spurns the Northern scum! She breathes! she burns! she'll come! she'll come! Maryland! My Maryland!
What "Northern states"? Missouri, Maryland and Kentucky were all Southern slave states. Ever read Huckleberry Finn? You display a map of the "CONFEDERATE STATES" that proves my point, the CS did not include all of the Southern Slave States. Again, many of the Southern Slave States refused to secede even on the eve of the Civil War. That is an historical fact. Virginia voted not to secede by a 2-to-1 margin as late as April 4. Denying that there was strong support for the Union in the Souther slave states defies a clear well documented historical record.
If my comments do not contradict your posts, you agree with me that the Americans who owned slaves in America used the bible for justification. OK.
You can't beat that horse because you don't have a horse to ride. Read the pile of grabage called the Constitution of the Confederate States of America. https://usconstitution.net/csa.html#A1Sec8
You cite it. Paste up some examples. Of course it offensive. Make a specific point and I will discuss it with you. Or are you just here looking for a fight?
OK, since you want to make the Confederates look bad I will waste my time posting sections from the Constitution of the Confederate States of America https://usconstitution.net/csa.html#A1Sec8= Section 2 - The House 3. Representatives and direct taxes shall be apportioned among the several States, which may be included within this Confederacy, according to their respective numbers, which shall be determined by adding to the whole number of free persons, including those bound to service for a term of years, and excluding Indians not taxed, three-fifths of all slaves. Section 9 - Limits on Congress, Bill of Rights 1. The importation of negroes of the African race from any foreign country other than the slaveholding States or Territories of the United States of America, is hereby forbidden; and Congress is required to pass such laws as shall effectually prevent the same. 2. Congress shall also have power to prohibit the introduction of slaves from any State not a member of, or Territory not belonging to, this Confederacy. Section 2 - State citizens, Extradition 1. The citizens of each State shall be entitled to all the privileges and immunities of citizens in the several States; and shall have the right of transit and sojourn in any State of this Confederacy, with their slaves and other property; and the right of property in said slaves shall not be thereby impaired. 3. No slave or other person held to service or labor in any State or Territory of the Confederate States, under the laws thereof, escaping or lawfully carried into another, shall, in consequence of any law or regulation therein, be discharged from such service or labor; but shall be delivered up on claim of the party to whom such slave belongs; or to whom such service or labor may be due. Section 3 - New States 3. The Confederate States may acquire new territory; and Congress shall have power to legislate and provide governments for the inhabitants of all territory belonging to the Confederate States, lying without the limits of the several Sates; and may permit them, at such times, and in such manner as it may by law provide, to form States to be admitted into the Confederacy. In all such territory the institution of negro slavery, as it now exists in the Confederate States, shall be recognized and protected by Congress and by the Territorial government; and the inhabitants of the several Confederate States and Territories shall have the right to take to such Territory any slaves lawfully held by them in any of the States or Territories of the Confederate States.
Everyone saw what you did there. You included NON CSA States in your count to buffer your false contention because it suited your purposes. "Kentucky, Missouri, Maryland, Virginia, Arkansas, and North Carolina. 6 out of 11 is a majority - right?" See what he did there? He included three states that were not part of the eleven to claim "a majority." Do you see why he as known as Dduplicitous D? Not only that, his claim of the border states being southern slave states seems to wobble. They were part of the North, the Union, and when he and others claim (for ex.) "the North had slaves" at the time of the Civil War, it is generally in reference to these border states. You can't assign them as part of the south one moment, then disown them another. Still, this disregards the fact the states not touched as much by slavery were, of course divided, and no one denies what happened then was a product of messy politics, and even messier sectionalism. Point being, where slavery was enmeshed in the full fabric of life, is where the biggest Huzzah's were heard. Naturally. Thus it further defends the fact that of those without a vested interest in slavery were for in favor of staying in the Union. Despite all that bickering, kinda makes it about slavery, doesn't it? Next, just as an extra Dd'plicitous D -- he claimed: "A strong majority in many Southern states immediately before the start of the Civil War voted against secession." & cites North Carolina. OOpps: "Governor Ellis, of North Carolina, took possession of the federal forts near Beaufort and Wilmington, January 2, 1861. He then called an extra session of the legislature, which met and called a convention, submitting the call to a vote of the people. At the election there were 46,672 votes for, and 47,323 against holding the convention." https://archive.org/stream/historyamerican00houggoog/historyamerican00houggoog_djvu.txt Does that look like a "strong majority" to you? Still, no matter how you slice it, his claim is untrue. Still some other states were not strong majorities. He also cites Maryland. Good Lord, what a hot holy mess that state was. Her logistical position so close to DC made her untenable. And she knew it. She was surrounded by hostile states, and effectively cut off from the rest of the Union. It's no coincidence the first bloodshed happened there. Still to reduce the ever-so-many factionalisms to raw numbers (as if, in the full context, it really matters) elides the full story, and those who understand history know : it's not that simple. Not only have I read it, I have a beautiful First Edition in my private library. It's worth several thousands. While there is no doubt there were some Unionists in every Confederate state who stomped off to fight for the Union cause, the fact most southern states voted for secession, and flew the coop, committing Acts of War before Lincoln ever stepped into office is what history leaves us. That, and the tattered remnants of a Cause that, in Jefferson Davis' words, "Died of a Theory." And apparently, still, 150 years after the Lost Cause was lost - there are still so many fighting to *still* defend it. #Sad
Do you have any research identifying specifically how the CSA deviated from US federal law at the time? Slavery in the South was still legal when the Civil War started. I scanned through the CSA document and did notice how similar it was to the COTUS. Did any of the advocates for secession write any editorials that set out the advantages they expected to gain from their constitution over what the already had under the US Code? My stance on secession has always matched Jackson's. My stance on slavery has always been similar to John Browns. Very little research into the specific motives of the confederates was involved - until now. Thanks in advance for anything you have found and can share on the subject.
Everyone who has read the thread, including you, knows that "confederate states" does not appear in the posts from me that you chose to challenge. Isn't that just a bit "Dd'plicitous"? Of course it is - your own posts quotes me accurately ""A strong majority in many Southern states immediately before the start of the Civil War voted against secession."Dd That quote from my post reflects the established historical record - and you know it.
