Trump will be found guilty in the upcoming New York trial.

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  1. Wild Bill Kelsoe

    Wild Bill Kelsoe Well-Known Member

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    Like I said, brah...lol
     
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    Oh, well, hey what's a misdemeanor to a crook like the Orange Stain. Plead it out, pay the fine and get on with his campaign, right ?
     
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    Wild Bill Kelsoe Well-Known Member

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    What crime was he trying to conceal by falsifying business records and making this a felony vice a misdemeanor?
     
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    Wild Bill Kelsoe Well-Known Member

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    But it's supposed to be a felony. How is it a felony?
     
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    I'm glad you agree that Trump's a career fraudster and now a criminal.
     
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    So, all this just for a misdemeanor?...lol
     
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    We'll see at the trial. All will be explained. Due process, right ?
     
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    I reviewed the law, an analysis of the law from New York law experts, and the known evidence. The case isn't weak at all. Chances for conviction are good, assuming the jury is impartial and understands the law and evidence. The hardest part here may be understanding the law. It's not as straightforward as, say, murder, where the details of the law aren't so much the issue.

    I think both Trump and his lawyers know this, or else delaying the trial wouldn't be so much in their interest. Their interest if the case were clearly weak would be to win and say we told you so.
     
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    No, the indictment reads "34 counts of falsifying business records in the first degree" which is a felony. That is lying about business financial records. There are no charges of federal campaign finance regulations violations.
     
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    Prosecutors say Trump fraudulently disguised those installments as corporate legal expenses in violation of New York law.
     
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    Good God WBK, where did you buy your law degree brah, Trump U or Earth II U? Maybe both...?
     
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    I wonder if rightists would still play the victim card if this was a leftist in all this legal jeopardy that their mango, traitorous hero is in?
     
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    ..... and must be gotten rid of at any and all cost.
     
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    In the name of democracy of course...lol
     
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    That's a misdemeanor. What crime was committed that makes it a felony?
     
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    To be in the first degree, the falsified records have to be concealing another crime. What's the crime?...

    "A person is guilty of falsifying business records in the first degree when he commits the crime of falsifying business records in the second degree, and when his intent to defraud includes an intent to commit another crime or to aid or conceal the commission thereof."
     
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    Like I said, you don't even know. You're just going along with what the prosecutor says, because "Orange Man Bad"...lol
     
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    An objective verdict is hard to get given the jury pool.
     
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    Since you hate a lot, traffic in cheap shots, innuendo, hard right wing spin, on this forum, why would you even care?
     
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    Because I detest malevolent clowns who engage in election rigging in our Free Republic.
     
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    Well, as long as they convict him, it will be the correct verdict, 'in my opinion'.

    I mean, the evidence is cut and dry, this is an open and shut case.

    He shtupped a porn star, used Cohen as a conduit to pay Stormy to keep quiet about it and defraud the electorate, and covered it up by trying to claim his checks to Cohen was for legal work, (which he did not do) which was lying to the government to cover it up, which will, per NY law, raise those 34 counts to felonies. We have 34 signed checks, Cohen's testimony, and Stormy's testimony. We also have David Pecker's (National Enquirer) testimony (who paid $150k to Playboy Playmate Karen McDougal who Trump also fornicated with in a catch-and-kill scheme ) and her testimony, as well.

    what more evidence do you need?
     
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    Supposedly some evidence will be coming out in the trial about Trump asking, after he won the election, if he still had to pay. If that really does come out, and if it is substantiated, he's more toast than he already was before.
     
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    Per the 6th Amendment???!!!!
     
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    And i detest malevolent clowns who believe criminal fraudster con man perverts who give false witness, allege without evidence which puts our democracy in decline.
     
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    Yeah rigging elections, abridging the free speech rights of Americans, spying on Catholics, and trying to strip your opponent of assets, jail him, and engage in ballot stripping, those are all vicious attacks on our democracy, but you know what? I think its all going to blow up in their well deserving faces.

    I'm kind of glad that they are piercing Trump's immunity, because this is the immunity that keeps these crooked judges and prosecutors from going to prison when they abuse others like this.

    Judge Juan Merchan, with the tweezed eyebrows, 'is presiding over his New York State prosecution, in which jury selection is slated to begin in Manhattan criminal court next Monday.'

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    Merchan has unconstitutionally suppressed 'political speech. These are issues that can be raised on appeal if Trump is convicted at trial.'

    Trump also has grounds for appeal over the 'discovery violation that resulted in his receiving over 100,000 pages of documents from federal prosecutors in Manhattan in just the last few weeks, and Judge Merchan’s bias.'

    'Merchan should recuse himself because there is considerable evidence that he is not impartial.'

    This Judge Merchan thinks he's a slick liar.

    'the embarrassing evidence that his daughter is a progressive political operative whose clients include major Democratic opponents of Trump (including Biden), Merchan has decided he can deflect that information by accusing Trump of intimidating “a family member of the court,” rather than addressing what Trump was complaining about (which was an attempt to expose relevant information, not to intimidate — and that, obviously, is why Bragg has not charged Trump with any crime arising out of it).'

    It's clearly a political hit job and 'Trump is convinced that the odds are very high that he will be convicted in the Manhattan case.'

    'Bragg has taken what at most should have been a misdemeanor (that he’d never have charged against anyone but Trump, and on which the statute of limitations ran years ago) and multiplied that act into 34 felony counts (an abusive practice that Justice Department rules admonish federal prosecutors to avoid). With a jury drawn from Manhattan, and with Merchan presiding, it is difficult to imagine Trump getting acquitted on all 34 business-records-falsification charges (the chances of a hung jury are a bit better, but not much). If he is ever going to get legal relief, as in New York’s civil fraud lawsuit and its astronomical $454 million judgment despite the absence of fraud victims, it is going to come on appeal, long after the 2024 election.'

    https://archive.ph/pvVG7#selection-897.0-905.445

    And that the political hit job being deployed by desperate Dems trying rig another presidential election for Biden.

    Which doesn't seem to be going too well, Trump still leads most of the battle ground states that will decide the election.

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