Tucker Carlson may be able to fool gullible Fox viewers, but not federal courts

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  1. The Mello Guy

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    Like when he said on tape he was happy “traitors in office” had to retreat to a bunker and put on gas masks?
     
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    Nah, it’s evidence of nothing.
     
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    It would if said footage was recorded at the time the shootings happened. We all know that is not the case in your example, but if such a recording existed, the prosecution would have had a duty to disclose it and turn it over. But I think those guys offed themselves, so there was no trial to worry about. They also are, IMO, solely responsible for the copy cats that came after them, it used to be if someone had a beef they would just call in a fake bomb threat. Nobody even thought about shooting up the place, even though the dreaded so-called 'assault weapons' have been for sale to the public since the early 60s, if not before.

    But once it was done once, all of a sudden it became an option for kids with issues. Which makes their crime even more heinous than just killing the kids they personally killed, but we can't exactly hold them responsible for it.
     
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    You may be right, but it's still prosecutorial misconduct. There is zero doubt about that at this point. The video may not have helped anyone's case, but they were entitled to have it anyway.
     
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    There is plenty of doubt.
     
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    Intentionally withholding potentially exculpatory evidence from the defense in a criminal case is black letter prosecutorial misconduct, even if it turns out that the evidence was not, in fact, exculpatory.
     
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    There is zero doubt that if they withheld that information it was misconduct. Disclosing it may or may not have helped the defendant, but that is not relevant, they are required to disclose it anyway. Which is a good thing because prosecuting criminal cases is about the truth, not just winning. It's not a game.
     
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    If you are not the Jury, your opinion does not matter. What does matter, and is not an opinion, is that failing to disclose potentially exculpatory information is illegal. Period, end of discussion.

    That doesn't mean the horned dude is innocent. That doesn't mean any other person who has been, or may be charged is innocent. But that is not relevant. It has to be disclosed. And you should be grateful for that, and proud that your country protects criminal defendants from overzealous prosecutions. But it doesn't suit your agenda, so you attack the messenger.
     
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    So... You don't know.
     
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    Don't know what? I did not answer a question.
     
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    I sincerely hope this information results in many of the Jan 6 convictions being overturned.
     
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    Why wasn't what shown by Tucker? He committed no crime outside of going into the Capitol. Tucker showed videos of him walking around. Even according to the article I put up they really had no crime other than that. But they were going to make an example of him.
     
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    I doubt that withholding irrelevant data is misconduct.
     
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    On no planet is this exculpatory
     
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    It sure the hell is. They have no footage of him doing anything wrong. They all but admit they used him to set an example, nothing more. No footage was given to his lawyer that would have shown, he did nothing wrong
     
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    If they had no footage why did he plead guilty??? Is he slow?
     
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    When a person is charged with a crime, the prosecution is bound by law to provide all the evidence supporting the charge or charges, including evidence that might exonerate the defendant. Evidence that is favorable to the defendant is called “exculpatory evidence” and back in 1963, the United States Supreme Court held that the prosecution must give all this exculpatory evidence to the defense.

    They never showed the videos of the defendant's actions inside the Capito other than walking around.l. Didn't show anything except him walking around the inside of the Capitol. No proof was shown then he trespassed.

    "Evidence that is favorable to the defendant" Sure having videos of him doing nothing but walking around and two Capitol Police following him where ever he goes and even trying to open doors for him is evidence in his favor and should have been given to his attorney. The prosecution showed no evidence of him doing nothing wrong. They used him as an example period.
     
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    I have explained that twice. Do you ever read posts before yours before you ask?
     
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    the irony of this thread is that the more the posters who defend Tucker Carlson and his antics prove the OP right in his assertion.
     
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    By the many post put up it shows that Liberals are determined to believe what they want in spite of the evidence showing otherwise.
     
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    All the evidence you need to look at are the 400 plus that have already plead guilty to whatever crime they were accused of and the 30 to 40 who had their day in court and were found guilty of whatever crime they were accused of. Right now, that is a little over half of the accused in the slow, grinding wheel we call Justice.

    https://www.justice.gov/usao-dc/26-months-jan-6-attack-capitol
     
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    It doesn't matter. It was unlawfully concealed from the defendant and that concealment violated his constitutional rights.
     
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    Perhaps not. But unless you have personally watched all, what, 4,000 or so hours of tape that purportedly exists, you don't know that. You want it to be true, but you don't know it to be.

    Irrespective of that, even if it's only potentially exculpatory it has to be disclosed. I realize you are probably not an attorney, but those are the rules of evidence in criminal cases, and damn well should be. You want these guys to be guilty because you are on the other team, I get that. Well, I understand that is the case, but I don't understand why you are putting party before the basic human rights guaranteed to all Americans, even those who are not on your team.

    Those principals are far more important than making an example out of someone for the perceived slights of 1/6/20. Especially if the single most guilty person out of the, what, 600 people who were there is only worth 4 years.
     
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    Now that Mellow Guy is one of many reasons why I don't want Trump to run again. The man says such stupid things. I love what he did while President, except Jan 6th, but he has a habit of trashing everyone who disagrees with him. He is a very revengeful man. He has made enemies of many of his close supporters by doing it.
     
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    Any reds care to let us know when Tucker intends to show this video of the poor Qanon dipshit shaman entering the Capitol with a mob of other traitorous dipshits that just broke in and not Capitol Police escorting him in?



    Again, all the video of that day has been available for over 2 years. It amazes me that it took Tucker to finally convince the reds that January 6th actually took place and watch video.
     

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