Twisting Scripture: The lies of Homosexuality.

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  1. dairyair

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    A hypocrite is one who sins and calls out other sins. There is no rank to the sins. They are equal in Gods eyes.
    Unless you happen to know this ranking. I'd like to see it.
     
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    So I would be a hypocrite for calling out someone who murdered when I commited a white lie the other day?
     
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    Did you miss the fact that murder is illegal. And should be brought up to the proper authorities?
    But if your going to call the murderer a sinner while you still sin, yes, a hypocrite.

    Definition of hypocrite
    1
    : a person who puts on a false appearance of virtue or religion
    2
    : a person who acts in contradiction to his or her stated beliefs or feelings

    Murder in the secular world isn't a sin. It's against the law.
    It's only a sin in the divine world.
     
  4. dairyair

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    Definition of righteous
    1
    : acting in accord with divine or moral law : free from guilt or sin
    2
    a : morally right or justifiable <a righteous decision>
    b : arising from an outraged sense of justice or morality <righteous indignation>
    3
    slang : genuine, excellent
    https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/righteous

    Any sinner is not righteous and therefore can't call out another sinner.
    But again, calling out an illegal action is certainly welcomed, to the proper authorities.
     
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    Who cares if its illegal. I don't want to be a hypocrite.

    And that's why your interpretation of the Bible is so dangerous. It's not hypocritical for me to call out murder when I made a white lie.

    I'm religious and I strive to be virtuous.

    I don't act against my stated beliefs or feelings.

    And that's what we're discussing.

    - - - Updated - - -

    That's why I'm righteous by the blood of the Lamb and not by my own works.
     
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    You are a hypocrite.

    I didn't interpret the bible, I gave the definition of sin and hypocrite. You sin, you call out others sin, you are by definition a hypocrite.

    Key word is strive. When you achieve 100%, then come back with your righteousness.

    You left off the other part of the definition. You don't get to pick 1 part of the definition and leave all other off, you have to include all. But hypocrites will always twist words, meanings, definitions to ease their mind so they can continue to be a hypocrite.
    You admit to lying, a sin. So to call out another for a sin is a hypocrite. You haven't given me the sin ranking that says these sins can call out these other sins. I am waiting.

    The only righteous in the christian world is Jesus. If you want to play a different religion, have at it. I'm not up on other religions.
    I don't think Jews claim to be righteous and judgemental. But I could be wrong.
     
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    I'm seriously trying to help you here. You're not getting biblical righteousness. Christians are not made righteous by anything we do. We are righteous by FAITH in Jesus because He is the only one who was sinless. Study this link carefully.
    http://christianity.about.com/od/glossary/a/Righteousness.htm
     
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    I don't care about biblical righteousness. Everyone takes whatever they want out of the bible. You and you alone are the only one that can claim righteousness on this earth. You don't know if you are righteous in your faith until the judgement day. So to claim some righteousness without any clue as to whether Jesus thinks you are, is a dangerous game in your religion, IMO. You could have it interpreted totally wrong.
    And to claim you are righteous is where the term self righteous comes from. For it is you, and you alone, making the judgement if you are righteous. Everyone else knows you are still a sinner and therefore, not righteous.
    I am using the standard definition of the word.
    No one can prove their faith, it can't be shown to another.
    All we can know, is you and everyone, according to the religion are sinners. Always have been, always will be. No sin is ranked higher or lower per the religion.
     
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    So you believe there is going to be a judgment day. Cool. We agree on that.
     
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    If the story is true. That's up for debate. Its why I included according your religion.

    BTW - You nor Mac have given this sin ranking yet. Will either of you be providing this?
     
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    Its not going to be a good event for many, especially the ones that proclaim the word is on their side and condemn others with it.

    As long as you feel you are "righteous" though...
     
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    If the story is true, you've lost your eternal soul.
     
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    I doubt it, I haven't claimed any self righteousness and condemned other sinners. Except the self righteous and hypocrites. And I don't condemn them, just warning they may be in serious violation of their own religion.
    And their eternal soul will be with all the non believers. Welcome as you seemed to already condemned my eternal soul. Are you Jesus? You certainly want to act like Jesus.

    So your done with the self righteousness? The hypocrisy? Since you've now changed the subject.
     
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    The problem is your own sin. If you have committed even one you're doomed. What's your remedy for that when you stand before God on Judgment Day?
     
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    Etymology[edit]
    The word derives from "Old English syn(n), for original *sunj&#333;... The stem may be related to that of Latin sons, sont-is guilty. In Old English there are examples of the original general sense, &#8216;offence, wrong-doing, misdeed'".[6] The English Biblical terms translated as "sin" or "syn" from the Biblical Greek and Jewish terms sometimes originate from words in the latter languages denoting the act or state of missing the mark; the original sense of New Testament Greek &#7937;&#956;&#945;&#961;&#964;&#943;&#945; hamartia "sin", is failure, being in error, missing the mark, especially in spear throwing;[7] Hebrew hata "sin" originates in archery and literally refer to missing the "gold" at the centre of a target, but hitting the target, i.e. error.[8]
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sin

    If one isn't a follower of the Abrahamic God, there really is no sin.

    But you are a follower, I am a former follower, if you remember my post to you to put me in your agnostic note category.
    So I don't think there will be this judgement day. If there is, I'll have to deal with it then.

    But you are a believer, so the problem is your own sin. You won't know until your believed judgement day if you've lived up to expectations. This is where I say you shouldn't judge other's sins.
    For only the righteous can judge. You don't know if you are righteous and can't know until your believed judgement day.
     
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    So if there is a judgment day and you admit you'll have to deal with it then, what would happen to you?
     
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    I have no clue.
     
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    Good luck.
     
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    Wait, what did I left out? As for sin ranking, God obviously has one because the earthly punishments for a sin like murder is more severe than lying to your mother about grabbing a cookie from the jar.
     
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    That isn't God punishing. That is man's gov't. And I got you and Max mixed up.

    God will treat a murderer the same as a thief, if they end up repentant. If I understand sin, repenting, and forgiveness.
     
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    It's hard to understand because it's normally Taylor made for the person that is practicing it.
     
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    I am not a homosexual and I absolutely deny that scripture in anything more than fairy tales. Religion has proven to be more of a burden on society. You are free to believe that you were a sinner thousands of years before you were born because a talking snake convinced a naked lady to eat an apple. You can believe that homosexuality is wrong as long as your beliefs don't interfere with the freedom of others.
     
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    There was NO Bible in Jesus's time... no scripture.
     
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    A. First Corinthians or Romans were not even written during Jesus' time, but were the written ramblings of St Paul, who was not an apostle chosen by Jesus.
    B. The translation is unreliable, "Arsenokoitai" (literally: men beds) appears to be a word that St Paul invented and noone knows what it was supposed to mean, however there was a common Greek word ("Paiderasste") that meant homosexual acts which he didn't use.
     
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    Wrong. There was scripture. Jesus read from the scrolls in the temple when he began his ministry.
     

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