UAW goes on Strike --- First Time in History Workers Will Picket All Big Automakers At Same Time

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  1. 9royhobbs

    9royhobbs Well-Known Member

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    These don't address the subject at all yet you keep saying the same thing.
     
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    They *agree* to employment. They are not slaves. If they don't like the offer, they can work for someone else.
     
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    The subject is unhappy workers. If they are unhappy with their job, they should find another employer.
     
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    I know inquiring minds want to know…. Maybe I’ll publish an autobiography. ;)
     
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    First, I don’t know of UAW objecting to EVs, and if they do any displaced workers can probably be retrained to work on installation of charging stations, of which we will need thousands.

    Secondly, a 40% raise in itself is not crazy. Here are some numbers….

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    TAKE AWAYS:
    The workers are asking for a total payroll increase of $4.434 billion (173,000 workers X a median pay of $64,082 X 40%) (I didn’t have an average pay to work with).
    In 2020 profits declined to $14.4 billion.
    Since 2020 profits were $21.7 billion, $23.66 billion, and $25.5 billion.
    In the worst year shown (2020) if the workers had been paid 40% more ($4.4 billion more) and it had been taken out of profits, TEN BILLION DOLLARS in profit would have remained.
    That $10 billion would have grown to more than $21 billion in 2023 (June).

    Ford says if they paid the workers 40% more it would bankrupt the company. Obviously bullshit.

    The UAW is not asking for too much.
     
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    We didn't used to let illegals flood into our country either. Not to mention blacks and women couldn't vote.
     
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    can you prove otherwise? the fact is-most people can work as factory workers or burger flippers. Run a billion dollar corporation-not so much.
     
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    Prove it is "pure greed"/ You cannot.
     
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    if competitive workers ask far less, than yes, the UAW is asking for too much
     
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    Maybe you should sit this one out. You have completely missed the point and only repeat the same thing over and over. There can be no discussion about your posts because they don't address the issue.
     
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    No, they aren't unhappy with their jobs. They actually like their jobs. They want what was taken from them back and they want to get a share of the profits like management does.
     
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    And if I had 2 wheels I'd be a bicycle
    There, now both of us have a post that addresses nothing and has no point to this discussion.
     
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    Are you so naïve that you think that the CEO is the ONLY person working at a corporation that can do the job? I can guarantee that at corporations like the big 3 auto manufacturers that there are at least 5 people waiting in the wings to take the job.
     
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    If you actually knew what you are talking about on just this issue with the auto workers you would know you're wrong and you would not have made that statement.
    Get your facts straight.
     
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    your opinion has no merit to me and you cannot prove your claims. Tell me why you think you are right and prove it
     
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    never said that but its far easier to hire a guy putting headlights on a car than a CEO, CFO or executive VP
     
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    why is it that you claim anyone who doesn't agree with you is wrong and your unsupported opinions are right?
     
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    Fantasy land.

    Ideological fantasy.

    All three companies will go bankrupt before being capable of meeting the demands of the union.

    People are paid based on their value in the labor market. It's THAT simple. All the other emotional non-sense doesn't matter.

    All three big automakers should immediately start hiring and training non-union workers.
     
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    What it comes down to is workers are tools that get a job done, nothing more, nothing less. A burger flipper or Uber driver at least has to use his head when doing the job, an assembly line worker does not.

    People should be paid what someone thinks they're worth. Would you pay $100 for a pizza even if it was really good? At some point you price yourself out of the market. The union in this case is asking way too much, and if you think about it, working 32 hours a week means the company has to hire more workers which means more union dues for the union. And with higher pay, that also means more $$$ for the unions.

    Finally, here are the top salaries of the UAW execs. Why should they live high on the hog off the backs of the workers? Those union execs didn't create or build anything.


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    They certainly can.

    Put a second mortgage on their house and buy stocks to the company they are employed.

    Risk everything. Leverage every penny they have and buy the stock.

    They won't, because they don't want the risk. They want a piece of the pie when the pie is full without contributing any crust or filling.

    But when the pie falls on the floor, they don't want to lose either.

    Talk about wanting their cake and eating it too.

    Most CEOs bonuses and even some compensation is often in stock options. They don't realize that income if the company loses money or the stock falls. Nobody ever talks about that.
     
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    The only time anyone “addresses the point” is when they agree with you.
     
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    You have to pay for talent and you have to pay to keep them. The auto manufacturers could just place an order with Biden for 30,000 illegals to replace the assembly, line workers.
    For some reason being a right to work state means non union people do not have a right to take union job offers.
     
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    You're wrong about everything and have no understanding of business. You are just parroting leftist talking points that have no basis in reality.

    No, a CEO of a billion dollar company is not comparable to a mom and pop store. No, a CEO's job today is not the same as it was decades ago. Seriously, both of those statements by you are beyond laughable.

    You're argument has no basis in reality. No reasonable discussion can be had with someone with so little understanding on the subject at hand.
     
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    Maybe they can find a job offering all that good stuff. This job obviously doesn’t fit the bill
     
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    I haven't made any claims that I have to prove.
     

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