UFOs videoed by NASA - alien or home grown?

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    Unlike god, it is almost certain that aliens exist somewhere in the galaxy. Whether intelligent alien explorers are spying on us is a better question. That said, I don't find this video convincing at all. It looks like metallic debris in an orbit that isn't parallel to the craft.

    I'm a skeptic by nature, but skepticism can be taken too far. There's been so many hoaxes that people just wouldn't believe it even if it happened. A better example would be one of the Black Triangle incidents, especially Tinley Park. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=esVZuvSvSJA I

    I'm especially interested in minutes 1 through 3. Now, I don't really trust these guys. I don't think they're honest and I don't trust their expertise, but if it's true that the lights are fixed relative to each other and 1000-1500 feet apart... The only hoax method I can imagine for that would be flares attached to balloons with 1500 feet of fishing line between them. But 1500 feet of fishing line times three... seems like a lot. And while their "experiment" was kind of sad in scale, it's true it looked very little like the Tinley Park incident (though very similar to known hoaxes I've seen). I'm not even sure if that would work physics-wise. Don't know what to think. I'm undecided. Another interesting aspect is that it was seen sequentially throughout the world in Canada, Illinois, Texas, and Australia.
     
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    I have posted some links and there is one I have previously posted that is very good of the Shuttle on this Topics first run.

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    Have you considered the possibility that you are misremembering or misinterpreting something you thought you saw?

    As for ET, I believe in it only as a possibility, even an inevitability, in a universe as vast as this one, but I do not believe in humanoid ETs that buzz Earth. Those I put down to humans being human.
     
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    No....this was not that long ago....I was clear of mind....had just finished running 6 miles....came into my home and drank some water....went into the bathroom to check on how things were going with a few crew members in the bathroom we were expanding with me....it was early morning and the sun was up.

    Then we saw her.

    She walked a distance away from us and turned and looked right at us.

    Her dress was a dark GREEN I believe and she wad a large folded white collar that was buttoned up tight with 2 black buttons.

    Her hair was pinned up in a bun....and she was pretty and authoitative and about 35 years old.

    Could not see anything of her from about where her knees would be down.

    It was VIVID....it was seen by all of us....and it was totally unexpected.

    The woman looked....annoyed that we were ripping down walls.

    I had never seen a Ghost before and have never seen one since.

    SHOCKING is not good enough of a word to describe the experience.

    E.T. I can tell you is a REALITY WITH 100% CERTAINTY.

    The place to look for information that will astound you is in the WASHINGTON D.C. Newspapers in the.... Early 1960's and early 1950's....when for weeks MILLIONS OF AMERICAN'S watched Hundreds of Alien Craft UZZING THE WHITE HOUSE AND CAPITAL BUILDING!!!

    In the 1950's event people were scared to death that these craft were ADVANCED SOVIET AIRCRAFT THAT WE COULD NOT SHOOT DOWN as no matter what we did....the Alien Craft just PLAYED with our pilots in pursuit.

    Finally a few scientists and a Army Air Corps. General went on TV with member of Congress and a Senator and they told the people LIVE....that they believed that these Aircraft were Alien in Nature and there was nothing to fear about an impending NUCLEAR WAR!!

    The people of the U.S. and D.C. in particular WERE RELIEVED as they were much more worried about Communist Nukes being dropped then they were worried about ALIEN CRAFT!!!

    This happened again in the early 1960's and it almost GOT OUT OF HAND as some MORON at Lagley AFB. got the idea to strap on a NUCLEAR WARHEADED AIR TO AIR MISSILE TO THE SHORT UNSTABLE WING OF A LOCKHEED F-104 STARFIGHTER!!!

    These Nuclear Tipped Air to Air Missiles were designed to be carried by larger Fighter Aircraft and even LIGHT BOMBERS and meet up with LARGE WINGS OF INCOMMING SOVIET BEAR BOMBERS AND DESTROY MASSIVE WINGS OF BEAR BOMBERS BY NUCLEAR AIR TO AIR MISSILES OVER THE NORTH POLAR REGION!!!

    A Lockheed F-104 is a NEEDLE NOSE INTERCEPTOR AIRCRAFT with tiny trapazoid and boxy shaped wings.

    The F-104 is exceedingly fast but is USTABLE WITH SUCH A HEAVY MISSILE CONFIGURATION ATTACHED....and Lockheed itself tld the USAF they were worried that the F-104 might crash attemting to carry this Nuclear Air to Air Missile especially over a dense population and at the last moment the attempt to shoot down E.T. with a NUKE....was MOTHBALLED!!!

    Check these stories out.

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    Yeah... Can you provide some source material for all this? Primary sources preferred. Such newspaper stories and television clips would be terribly interesting to see, I'm sure.

    I know there was a lot of UFO craziness going on in the years you mention, the same time the US was growing into a military superpower, experimenting with all sorts of secret aircraft that people weren't at all accustomed to seeing and which our government could not admit to publicly, and it was also a time when science fiction literature, TV and films were very popular. It was a craze, and I'm not at all surprised that many sightings were reported/claimed. Where people were previously seeing angels, witches, you name it, they were now seeing aliens.

    Did you know that there are still people who believe earnestly in the existence of the walking dead? In Romania, for instance, people still believe that the dead rise from the grave to haunt the living as vampires (not mere ghosts). People claim to have seen these spectres. These are otherwise modern, reasonable people. I'm telling you, human beings can be very strange.
     
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    FBI comes clean on 1950 UFO sighting memo from Washington D.C. chief Use your key for the next article
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    1950 FBI Memo
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    The Federal Bureau of Investigation has come clean on a 63 year old memo from the head of their Washington D.C. office pertaining to UFO sightings.

    The memo was associated to a story relayed to four FBI from a third party reporting that an Air Force investigator had reported three “flying saucers” were recovered in New Mexico.

    “They [the saucers] were described as being circular in shape with raised centers, approximately 50 feet in diameter,” the memo states. “Each one was occupied by three bodies of human shape but only three feet tall, dressed in metallic cloth of a very fine texture.”

    “Each body was bandaged in a manner similar to the blackout suits used by speed fliers and test pilots.”

    In an FBI release on March 24, 2013, the Bureau indicates the story is the single most popular file in their various records released under the Freedom of Information Act.

    “Over the past two years, this file has been viewed nearly a million times,” the release stated.
    The file is a single page memo from March 22, 1950 from Washington D.C. field office lead Guy Hottel.

    Hottel, who died in 1990, addressed the memo to Director J. Edgar Hoover, which was protocol for all FBI memos. The memo was recorded and indexed soon after.

    The informant claimed that the saucers had been found because the government’s “high-powered radar” in the area had interfered with “the controlling mechanism of the saucers.”

    The memo ends with “[n]o further evaluation was attempted” concerning the matter by the FBI agent.

    The FBI said that when their Vault released this information in April 2011, “some media outlets noticed the Hottel memo and erroneously reported that the FBI had posted proof of a UFO crash at Roswell, New Mexico and the recovery of wreckage and alien corpses.”

    The FBI says they have only occasionally been involved with any investigations of UFO and extraterrestrials sightings, and this particular memo is not new. It was first released publicly in the late 1970s.

    There is no connection to the infamous events of July 1947 in Roswell, the FBI says “Hottel memo is dated nearly three years after” that.

    “For a few years after the Roswell incident, Director Hoover did order his agents—at the request of the Air Force—to verify any UFO sightings. That practice ended in July 1950, four months after the Hottel memo, suggesting that our Washington Field Office didn’t think enough of that flying saucer story to look into it.”

    “Finally, the Hottel memo does not prove the existence of UFOs; it is simply a second- or third-hand claim that we never investigated,” explained the FBI release. “Some people believe the memo repeats a hoax that was circulating at that time, but the Bureau’s files have no information to verify that theory.”

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    “They [the saucers] were described as being circular in shape with raised centers, approximately 50 feet in diameter,” the memo states. “Each one was occupied by three bodies of human shape but only three feet tall, dressed in metallic cloth of a very fine texture.”
    “Each body was bandaged in a manner similar to the blackout suits used by speed fliers and test pilots.”

    LINK...http://www.examiner.com/list/fbi-comes-clean-on-1950-ufo-sighting-memo-from-washington-d-c-chief

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    1952 Washington, D.C. UFO incident
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    Ronald Reagan Washington National Airport, on the Potomac RiverThe 1952 Washington, D.C. UFO incident, also known as the Washington flap or the Washington National Airport Sightings, was a series of unidentified flying object reports from July 12 to July 29, 1952, over Washington, D.C. The most publicized sightings took place on consecutive weekends, July 19–20 and July 26–27.


    Contents [hide]
    1 Events of July 19–20
    2 Publicity and Air Force reaction
    3 Events of July 26–27
    4 White House concern and the "shoot-down" order
    5 Air Force explanation
    6 Criticisms of the Air Force explanation
    7 The Robertson Panel
    8 References
    8.1 Notes
    8.2 Sources
    9 External links

    Events of July 19–20[edit]At 11:40 p.m. on Saturday, July 19, 1952, Edward Nugent, an air traffic controller at Washington National Airport (today Ronald Reagan Washington National Airport), spotted seven objects on his radar. The objects were located 15 miles (24 km) south-southwest of the city; no known aircraft were in the area and the objects were not following any established flight paths. Nugent's superior, Harry Barnes, a senior air-traffic controller at the airport, watched the objects on Nugent's radarscope. He later wrote:

    We knew immediately that a very strange situation existed . . . their movements were completely radical compared to those of ordinary aircraft.[1]
    Barnes had two controllers check Nugent's radar; they found that it was working normally. Barnes then called National Airport's other radar center; the controller there, Howard Cocklin, told Barnes that he also had the objects on his radarscope. Furthermore, Cocklin said that by looking out of the control tower window he could see one of the objects, "a bright orange light. I can't tell what's behind it."[1]

    At this point, other objects appeared in all sectors of the radarscope; when they moved over the White House and the United States Capitol, Barnes called Andrews Air Force Base, located 10 miles from National Airport. Although Andrews reported that they had no unusual objects on their radar, an airman soon called the base's control tower to report the sighting of a strange object. Airman William Brady, who was in the tower, then saw an "object which appeared to be like an orange ball of fire, trailing a tail . . . [it was] unlike anything I had ever seen before." As Brady tried to alert the other personnel in the tower, the strange object "took off at an unbelievable speed." Meanwhile, another person in the National Airport control tower reported seeing "an orange disk about 3,000 feet altitude." On one of the airport's runways, S.C. Pierman, a Capital Airlines pilot, was waiting in the cockpit of his DC-4 for permission to take off. After spotting what he believed to be a meteor, he was told that the control tower's radar had picked up unknown objects closing in on his position. Pierman observed six objects — "white, tailless, fast-moving lights" — over a 14-minute period.[2] Pierman was in radio contact with Barnes during his sighting, and Barnes later related that "each sighting coincided with a pip we could see near his plane. When he reported that the light streaked off at a high speed, it disappeared on our scope."

    At Andrews Air Force Base, meanwhile, the control tower personnel were tracking on radar what some thought to be unknown objects, but others suspected, and in one instance were able to prove, were simply stars and meteors. However, Staff Sgt. Charles Davenport observed an orange-red light to the south; the light "would appear to stand still, then make an abrupt change in direction and altitude . . . this happened several times."[2] At one point both radar centers at National Airport and the radar at Andrews Air Force Base were tracking an object hovering over a radio beacon. The object vanished in all three radar centers at the same time.[3] At 3 a.m., shortly before two United States Air Force F-94 Starfire jet fighters from New Castle Air Force Base in Delaware arrived over Washington, all of the objects vanished from the radar at National Airport. However, when the jets ran low on fuel and left, the objects returned, which convinced Barnes that "the UFOs were monitoring radio traffic and behaving accordingly." [4] The objects were last detected by radar at 5:30 a.m. Around sunrise, E.W. Chambers, a civilian radio engineer in Washington's suburbs, observed "five huge disks circling in a loose formation. They tilted upward and left on a steep ascent."

    Publicity and Air Force reaction[edit]The sightings of July 19–20, 1952, made front-page headlines in newspapers around the nation. A typical example was the headline from the Cedar Rapids Gazette in Iowa. It read "SAUCERS SWARM OVER CAPITAL" in large black type.[5] By coincidence, USAF Captain Edward J. Ruppelt, the supervisor of the Air Force's Project Blue Book investigation into UFO sightings, was in Washington at the time. However, he did not learn about the sightings until Monday, July 21, when he read the headlines in a Washington-area newspaper.[6] After talking with intelligence officers at the Pentagon about the sightings, Ruppelt spent several hours trying to obtain a staff car so he could travel around Washington to investigate the sightings, but was refused as only generals and senior colonels could use staff cars. He was told that he could rent a taxicab with his own money; by this point Ruppelt was so frustrated that he left Washington and flew back to Blue Book's headquarters at Wright-Patterson AFB in Ohio.[7] Before leaving Washington, Ruppelt did speak with an Air Force radar specialist, Captain Roy James, who felt that unusual weather conditions could have caused the unknown radar targets.[8]

    Events of July 26–27[edit]At 8:15 p.m. on Saturday, July 26, 1952, a pilot and stewardess on a National Airlines flight into Washington observed some strange lights above their plane. Within minutes, both radar centers at National Airport, and the radar at Andrews AFB, were tracking more unknown objects. A master sergeant at Andrews visually observed the objects; he later said that "these lights did not have the characteristics of shooting stars. There was [sic] no trails . . . they traveled faster than any shooting star I have ever seen." [9]

    Meanwhile, Albert M. Chop, the press spokesman for Project Blue Book, arrived at National Airport and, due to security concerns, denied several reporters' requests to photograph the radar screens. He then joined the radar center personnel.[10] By this time (9:30 p.m.) the radar center was picking up unknown objects in every sector. At times the objects traveled slowly; at other times they reversed direction and moved across the radarscope at speeds calculated at 7,000 mph. At 11:30 p.m., two U.S. Air Force F-94 Starfire jet fighters from New Castle Air Force Base in Delaware arrived over Washington. Captain John McHugo, the flight leader, was vectored towards the radar blips but saw nothing, despite repeated attempts.[11] However, his wingman, Lieutenant William Patterson, did see four white "glows" and chased them. Suddenly, the "glows" appeared to turn and surround his fighter. Patterson asked the control tower at National Airport what he should do; according to Chop, the tower's answer was "stunned silence". According to Patterson, the four "glows" then sped away from his jet and disappeared.[12]

    After midnight on July 27, Major Dewey Fournet, Project Blue Book's liaison at the Pentagon, and Lieutenant John Holcomb, a United States Navy radar specialist, arrived at the radar center at National Airport.[13] During the night, Lieutenant Holcomb received a call from the Washington National Weather Station. They told him that a slight temperature inversion was present over the city, but Holcomb felt that the inversion was not "nearly strong enough to explain the 'good and solid' returns" on the radarscopes.[14] Fournet relayed that all those present in the radar room were convinced that the targets were most likely caused by solid metallic objects. There had been weather targets on the scope too, he said, but this was a common occurrence and the controllers "were paying no attention to them."[15] Two more F-94s from New Castle Air Force Base were scrambled during the night. One pilot saw nothing unusual; the other pilot moved towards a white light which "vanished" when he closed in. A Capital Airlines flight leaving Washington spotted "odd lights" which remained visible for about twelve minutes.[16] As on July 20, the sightings and unknown radar returns ended at sunrise.

    White House concern and the "shoot-down" order[edit]The sightings of July 26–27 also made front-page headlines, and even led President Harry Truman to personally call Capt. Ruppelt to ask for an explanation of the sightings. Ruppelt, remembering the conversation he had with Capt. James, told the President that the sightings might have been caused by a temperature inversion, in which a layer of warm, moist air covers a layer of cool, dry air closer to the ground. This condition can cause radar signals to bend and give false returns. However, Ruppelt had not yet interviewed any of the witnesses or conducted a formal investigation.[17]

    CIA historian Gerald Haines, in his 1997 history of the CIA's involvement with UFOs, also mentions Truman's concern. "A massive buildup of sightings over the United States in 1952, especially in July, alarmed the Truman administration. On 19 and 20 July, radar scopes at Washington National Airport and Andrews Air Force Base tracked mysterious blips. On 27 July, the blips reappeared."[18]

    White House concern may possibly have resulted in an order to shoot down the UFOs, reported in various International News Service (INS) stories on July 29, 1952. E.g., one such story reported that "jet pilots have been placed on a 24-hour nationwide 'alert against the flying saucers' with orders to 'shoot them down' if they ignore orders to land." An Air Force public information officer, Lt. Col. Moncel Monte, confirmed the directive stating, "The jet pilots are, and have been, under orders to investigate unidentified objects and to shoot them down if they can't talk them down."

    However, Air Force headquarters also put out statements that the unidentified flying objects were no threat to the United States and not controlled by “a reasoning body.”[19]

    Air Force explanation[edit]In response to the INS "shoot-down" stories, to calm rising public anxiety[20] and answer the news media's questions about the sightings — and, hopefully, to slow down the numbers of UFO reports being sent to Blue Book, which were clogging normal intelligence channels — Air Force Major Generals John Samford, USAF Director of Intelligence, and Roger Ramey, USAF Director of Operations, held a well-attended press conference at the Pentagon on July 29, 1952.[21] It was the largest Pentagon press conference since World War II.[22] Press stories called Samford and Ramey the Air Force's two top UFO experts.[23]

    Samford was heavily influenced by Capt. Roy James, who had discussed the sightings with him earlier in the day and who also spoke at the conference. Samford declared that the visual sightings over Washington could be explained as misidentified aerial phenomena (such as stars or meteors). Samford also stated that the unknown radar targets could be explained by temperature inversion, which was present in the air over Washington on both nights the radar returns were reported.

    In addition, Samford argued that the radar contacts were not caused by solid material targets, and therefore posed no threat to national security. In response to a question as to whether the Air Force had recorded similar UFO radar contacts prior to the Washington incident, Samford admitted that there had been "hundreds" of such contacts where Air Force fighter interceptions had taken place, but stated they were all "fruitless." The conference proved to be successful "in getting the press off our backs", Ruppelt later wrote.[24]

    Among the witnesses who supported Samford's explanation was the crew of a B-25 bomber, which had been flying over Washington during the sightings of July 26–27. The bomber was vectored several times by National Airport over unknown targets on the airport's radarscopes, yet the crew could see nothing unusual. Finally, as a crew member related, "the radar had a target which turned out to be the Wilson Lines steamboat trip to Mount Vernon...the radar was sure as hell picking up the steamboat."[25] Air Force Captain Harold May was in the radar center at Andrews AFB during the sightings of July 19–20. Upon hearing that National Airport's radar had picked up an unknown object heading in his direction, May stepped outside and saw "a light that was changing from red to orange to green to red again...at times it dipped suddenly and appeared to lose altitude." However, May eventually concluded that he was simply seeing a star that was distorted by the atmosphere, and that its "movement" was an illusion.[26] At 3 a.m. on July 27, an Eastern Airlines flight over Washington was told that an unknown object was in its vicinity; the crew could see nothing unusual. When they were told that the object had moved directly behind their plane, they began a sharp turn to try to see the object, but were told by National Airport's radar center that the object had "disappeared" when they began their turn. At the request of the Air Force, the CAA's Technical Development and Evaluation Center did an analysis of the radar sightings. Their conclusion was that "a temperature inversion had been indicated in almost every instance when the unidentified radar targets or visual objects had been reported."[27] Project Blue Book would eventually label the Washington radar objects as "mirage effects caused by double inversion" and the visual sightings as "meteors coupled with the normal excitement of witnesses."[28] In later years two prominent UFO skeptics, Dr. Donald Menzel, an astronomer at Harvard University, and Philip Klass, a senior editor for Aviation Week magazine, would also argue in favor of the temperature inversion/mirage hypothesis.[29]

    Criticisms of the Air Force explanation[edit]Almost from the moment of General Samford's press conference, eyewitnesses, UFO researchers, and Air Force personnel came forward to criticize the temperature inversion/mirage explanation. Captain Ruppelt noted that Major Fournet and Lt. Holcomb, who disagreed with the Air Force's explanation, were not in attendance at Samford's press conference. Ruppelt himself discovered that "hardly a night passed in June, July, and August in 1952 that there wasn't a [temperature] inversion in Washington, yet the slow-moving, solid radar targets appeared on only a few nights."[30]

    According to a story printed by INS, the United States Weather Bureau also disagreed with the temperature inversion hypothesis, one official stating that "such an inversion ordinarily would appear on a radar screen as a steady line, rather than as single objects as were sighted on the airport radarscope."[31]

    Also, according to Ruppelt, when he was able to interview the radar and control tower personnel at Washington National Airport, not a single person agreed with the Air Force explanation. Michael Wertheimer, a researcher for the government-funded Condon Report, investigated the case in 1966. He found that the radar witnesses still disputed the Air Force explanation, but that did not stop the report from agreeing with the temperature inversion/mirage explanation.[32] Ruppelt related that on July 27 the control tower at Washington National had called the control tower at Andrews AFB and notified them that their radar had an unknown object just south of the Andrews control tower, directly over the Andrews AFB radio range station. According to Ruppelt, when the Andrews control tower personnel looked they all saw "a huge fiery-orange sphere" hovering over the range station.[33] When Ruppelt interviewed the tower personnel several days later, they insisted that they had been mistaken and had merely seen a bright star. However, when Ruppelt checked an astronomical chart he found that there were no bright stars over the station that night, and that he had "heard from a good source that the tower men had been 'persuaded' a bit" by superior officers to claim that their sighting was merely a star.[34]

    There were also witnesses who claimed to see structured craft and not merely "glows" or bright lights. On July 19 an Army artillery officer, Joseph Gigandet, was sitting on the front porch of his home in Alexandria, Virginia, across the Potomac River from Washington. At 9:30 p.m. he claimed to see "a red cigar-shaped object" which sailed slowly over his house. Gigandet estimated the object's size as comparable to a DC-7 airplane at about 10,000 feet altitude; he also claimed that the object had a "series of lights very closely set together" on its sides. The object eventually flew back over his house a second time, which led Gigandet to assume that it was circling the area.[35] When the object flew away a second time, it turned a deeper red color and moved over the city of Washington itself; this occurred less than two hours before Edward Nugent first spotted the unknown objects on his radar at Washington National. Gigandet claimed that his neighbor, an FBI agent, also saw the object.[35] Dr. James E. McDonald, a physicist at the University of Arizona and a prominent ufologist in the 1960s, did his own analysis of the Washington sightings. After interviewing four pilot eyewitnesses and five radar personnel, McDonald argued that the Air Force explanation was "physically impossible."[36] Harry Barnes told McDonald that the radar targets "were not shapeless blobs such as one gets from ground returns under anomalous propagation", and that he was certain the unknown radar blips were solid targets; Howard Cocklin agreed with Barnes.[36]

    The Robertson Panel[edit]The extremely high numbers of UFO reports in 1952 disturbed both the Air Force and the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA). Both groups felt that an enemy nation could deliberately flood the U.S. with false UFO reports, causing mass panic and allowing them to launch a sneak attack. On September 24, 1952, the CIA's Office of Scientific Intelligence (OSI) sent a memorandum to Walter B. Smith, the CIA's Director. The memo stated that "the flying saucer situation . . . have national security implications . . . [in] the public concern with the phenomena . . . lies the potential for the touching-off of mass hysteria and panic."[37] The result of this memorandum was the creation in January 1953 of the Robertson Panel. Dr. Howard P. Robertson, a physicist, chaired the panel, which consisted of prominent scientists and which spent four days examining the "best" UFO cases collected by Project Blue Book. The panel dismissed nearly all of the UFO cases it examined as not representing anything unusual or threatening to national security. In the panel's controversial estimate, the Air Force and Project Blue Book needed to spend less time analyzing and studying UFO reports and more time publicly debunking them. The panel recommended that the Air Force and Project Blue Book should take steps to "strip the Unidentified Flying Objects of the special status they have been given and the aura of mystery they have unfortunately acquired."[38] Following the panel's recommendation, Project Blue Book would rarely publicize any UFO case that it had not labeled as "solved"; unsolved cases were rarely mentioned by the Air Force.

    LINK....https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1952_Washington_D.C._UFO_incident

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    UFO's over D.C.

    One of the most witnessed UFO sightings took place in one of the last places you would think. Right over Washington, DC in restricted air space seen by thousands of people.

    The sightings occurred not just once but over a period of two weeks. The first sighting occured on July 19/20 1955 and the second on July 26/27 1955 a week later. The sightings were confirmed by many reputable sources including pilots, radar operators and endless civilian witnesses. There were many photos and video taken of the UFOs that further substantiate the evidence of the event.

    Radar operators first reported seeing the unidentified objects at 11:40 p.m. on Saturday, July 19, 1952. At the time there were no established flight plans heading in that direction or reported aircraft in the area. The "UFO fleet" were said to be moving between 100 mph and over 7,000 mph at times and moving in sporadic patterns that were not common for aircraft.

    "We knew immediately that a very strange situation existed . . . their movements were completely radical compared to those of ordinary aircraft" said Harry Barnes, a senior air-traffic controller at Washington National Airport.

    Even the air traffic controllers could visually see the objects in the sky and confirmed that they were actually there.

    When the UFOs started to approach the White House Harry Barnes called for jets to be scrambled from nearby Andrews Air Force Base. Staff Sgt. Charles Davenport was quoted seeing an orange, reddish light that "would appear to stand still, then make an abrupt change in direction and altitude . . . this happened several times"

    The jets that were scrambled were delayed and never visually came in contact with the supposedly alien visitors in the air. Although when they landed the ships were back on the radar almost as if they were taking precautions or perhaps even taunting the fighters. For all we know they may have still been there, just using some sort of cloaking type technology.

    After this the ships disappeared off of the radar and out of site and weren't seen again for a week.

    The UFOs Came Back
    At 8:15 p.m. on Saturday, July 26, 1952 a pilot and a stewardess were the first to spot something strange in the air above Washington and within seconds these objects were back on the radar at Andrews Air Force Base exhibiting the same erratic movements as before.

    A master sergeant was quoted later saying "these lights did not have the characteristics of shooting stars. There was no trails . . . they traveled faster than any shooting star I have ever seen"

    The decision was made to scrable jets again and hunt down the unidentified flying objects but the same thing happened as before. As soon as they got close enough for visual confirmation they would zig and zag and simply disappear.

    Lt. William Patterson, a wingman, was one of the only fighters in the air that saw the objects. In fact, he stated that four white "glows" followed his jet and eventually ended up surrounding it before taking off in all directions.

    After this the objects did not return to Washington and no one really knows what they were or what they were doing there.

    The Official Government Response
    Not surprisingly the officail Government response was that the sightings were not aliens from outer space but a weather phenomena known as temperature inversion. The idea is that lights from the ground bounce off of clouds and moisture in the air and create the illusion from the ground that there are craft flying in the air.

    This however does not explain the sighting in the air by Lt. William Patterson whos jet was eventually surrounded by the crafts and the multiple radar blips following them making strategic turns and moving at substantially different speeds.

    The National Weather Bureau seems to completely disprove the Governments statement as well stating "such an inversion ordinarily would appear on a radar screen as a steady line, rather than as single objects as were sighted on the airport radarscope." This makes the claims by the Government very suspect.


    LINK.....http://alien-ufo-research.com/ufos-over-dc/

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    The unusual concentration of UFO activity in the Washington, D.C. area continued on July 29, as radar tracked unidentified targets for almost six hours. Unlike the first two nights, there were few visual sightings of these objects.

    During the afternoon of July 29, the Air Force attempted to quiet the national concern which by now had grown to unprecedented proportions. In the heaviest attended Washington press conference since World War II, USAF Intelligence Chief Maj. Gen. John A. Samford explained that the UFOs tracked and seen in the Washington area were the result of the refraction of light and radar waves by atmospheric temperature inversions. (Transcript on file at NICAP.) Weeks later, after scientists had made it clear that the inversions on the nights of the Washington sightings had been grossly insufficient to cause highly qualified radar observers to err so drastically, the Air Force re-classified these objects as "unknown."

    Although they received less publicity after the Air Force press conference, UFO sightings continued at a high rate throughout August.

    As the flood of reports was beginning to wane, late in the month, an Air Force Colonel, flying an F-84 between Hermanas, N. Mex., and El Paso, Tex., on the morning of August 24, saw two round, silvery objects flying abreast. One made a right turn in front of the jet, then both disappeared over Hermanas. They reappeared over El Paso. One was seen to climb straight up for several thousand feet.

    The Colonel stated, "From their maneuvers and their terrific speed, I am certain their flight performance was greater than any aircraft known today." (Statement from Air Force Intelligence Report.)

    LINK....http://www.nicap.org/ufoe/section_12.htm

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    THE UFO EVIDENCE, published by the National Investigations Committee on Aerial Phenomena, Copyright 1964



    SECTION XII
    PATTERNS

    An attempt was made to find groups of Unknowns for which the observed characteristics were the same. No such groups were found.. An intensive study, aimed at finding a verified model or models of "flying saucers .. led to the conclusion that neither goal could be attained using the present data.. the data conclusively failed to reveal even a rough model.. the data as a whole failed to reveal any marked patterns or trends. - Statement by U.S. Air Force (From Project Blue Book Special Report No.14, 1955, ppg. 91-94)


    The many obvious patterns which appear in UFO sighting data are summarized under the following general types:
    A. Physical Appearance
    B. Maneuvers
    C. Flight Characteristics
    D. Concentrations With Time

    (See also patterns of formations, Section II).

    A. PHYSICAL APPEARANCE
    Shape

    The Air Force Project Grudge Report of December 1949 (Technical Report No. 102-AC-49/15-100) concluded, on the basis of intelligence reports of UFOs, that the objects were of three basic types:

    (1) "The most numerous reports indicate daytime observation of metallic disc-like objects roughly in diameter ten times their thickness."

    (2) Rocket-like objects.

    (3) "Sharply defined luminous objects" appearing as lights at night.

    Thirteen years of UFO sightings have been added to the record since this evaluation was made. A statistical study of the cases listed in the chronology of this report [Section XI], covering a period of 22 years beginning with 1942, indicates that the above pattern is well-established.


    Statistics Based on Cases in Section XI (1942-1963)

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    Description
    Geometrical (disc, ellipse
    triangle...)
    Rocket-like or Cigar-shaped
    Light Source
    Other/None
    Radar (No visual)

    Total Number of Cases:
    Number of cases
    333

    48
    140
    35
    19
    ------
    575
    Percentage of Total
    58.0%

    8.3%
    24.3%
    6.1%
    3.3%




    [Between 1947 and 1952, the Air Force investigated 2199 cases; 46.9% were elliptical UFOs, 5.2% rocket-like. The study did not have a separate category for discs. See Project Blue Book Special Report No. 14, page 197, tables A140-A146].

    The cases of geometrical objects break down as follows:

    Shape
    1. Disc
    2. Round (spheres or discs)
    3. Oval/elliptical
    4. Triangular

    Total Geometrical

    Number of Cases
    149
    96
    77
    11
    ------
    333

    Percentage of Total (575)
    26%
    17%
    13%
    2%





    If we make the reasonable assumption that some of the UFOs in categories 2 and 3 were discs seen in perspective, the possible range of generally flat circular objects observed becomes:


    Number of Cases
    Percentage of Total Minimum
    149
    26% Maximum
    322
    56%


    One particular type of disc, whose shape occasionally has been compared to the planet Saturn, has been sighted periodically since 1947. It resembles a flattened sphere (sometimes with a centrally located surrounding ring). The following list, including one 1884 sighting, shows that many independent witnesses have used very similar terminology in describing the symmetry of the discus shaped UFO.

    Physical Appearance Chart, Pages 143-145

    143


    COMMONLY REPORTED UFO TYPES
    Note: These drawings are hypothetical constructions, generalized from hundreds of UFO reports. They are intended to indicate basic shapes which have been reported, and are not necessarily completely accurate in every detail. Additional details sometimes reported, such as portholes, projections, body lights, etc., are not portrayed. The general types shown do represent with reasonable accuracy virtually all UFOs which have been reliably described in any detail. Examples of each type appear in the left-hand column.


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    144


    Color

    UFOs observed in daylight rarely have shown any particular color. Common descriptions have been "silver" or "white". Occasionally some "glow" or ''shine" has been observed in daylight or twilight, appearing to be self-illumination rather than reflection. At night, UFOs have most often appeared as bright light sources, occasionally as silhouetted objects (sometimes with body lights). The color of the light sources or body lights have ranged across the spectrum, and sometimes UFOs have shown more than one color or changed color during the observation. (See part C of this section for color change study.)


    Frequency of Reported Colors

    Daylight or Twilight NICAP (575 Cases) Air Force* (2199 Cases)

    Silver or Metallic
    White
    Reflective (shiny)
    Gray
    Silhouette (dark)
    88
    81
    34
    19
    31
    15.3%
    14.1%
    5.9%
    3.3%
    5.4%
    389
    517
    ----
    5
    57
    17.7%
    23.5%
    ------
    0.2%
    2.6%

    Porthole Chart, Pages 145-147

    145




    UFO WITH "PORTHOLES". SARASOTA, FLORIDA
    OBSERVED BY ARCHITECT; MAY 4, 1960

    147



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    Aircraft designs show similarities and differences comparable to the variety of UFO types. Left: (from bottom to top): DC-4, DC-6, and DC-7. Right: Top, A-11. Second row, F4F "Phantom"; F-106 "Delta Dart"; F-105 "Thunderchief." Third row, F- 104 "Starfighter"; F-101 "Voodoo." Fourth row, British T-188 (high speed research); X-3 "Stiletto." Fifth row, British VTOL; X-13; French "Coleopter" VTOL; XF-85 "Goblin." Sixth row, F-94 "Starfire"; F-84F "Thunderstreak": P-59.

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    Comparing the UFO shape to type of "porthole", to determine whether a particular type of UFO tended to have a particular type of "porthole", the findings were largely negative. The UFOs reported as cigar-shaped (11 cases) did not have rectangular "port holes" - with one exception (November 22, 1961).

    Circular or disc-shaped objects (19 cases) were reported as having circular "ports" in 4 cases, rectangular in 6 cases, rows of lights in 7 cases.

    Elliptical or oval UFOs (10 cases) were reported as having rectangular "ports" in 5 cases, circular in 3 cases, rows of lights in 1 case.

    The most striking consistency or pattern to "porthole" reports is the description of their arrangement on the body of the UFO. In no case were the lights or markings arranged haphazardly. On the contrary, in every case the "portholes" were arranged either in straight lines, or circular patterns (most often around the curved surface).

    In many cases the "portholes" were arranged exactly along the major axis of UFOs which presented elliptical outlines to the observer.

    The "row of lights" cases, alone, consist of two basic types:
    (1) Lights on or adjacent to the edge of a disc. (In two cases, witnesses reported the lights were just below the disc edge, on the underside of the UFO.) (2) Lights along the length of cigar- shaped UFOs.

    The position and geometrical arrangement of the "portholes," and the light usually associated with these markings, strongly suggest that they are indeed ports or vents. They could well be actual windows, particularly those of distinctly square or round construction. The "row of lights" cases are subject to several different interpretations: (1) Lighted windows seen at greater ; (2) Running lights, such as those on normal aircraft; Exhaust or propulsion vents.

    B. MANEUVERS

    A study of hundreds of UFO reports has revealed several recurring maneuver patterns. these include:

    * Hovering (or very slow motion) and sudden rapid acceleration.

    * Circling and pacing of human vehicles. [Section II]

    * UFOs rendezvousing, then operating together [e.g., Aeronautical Engineer report, July 16, 1952, Section VI; Airline Pilot report, July 14, 1952, Section V.

    * Satellite objects, associated with and maneuvering around larger central parent objects. [Section II.]

    Numerous examples of these features appear in previous sections, especially Section II which discusses the evidence that UFOs are intelligently guided. A number of rendezvous cases is included in the formation chart, Section II, and other examples may be found throughout the report.

    The remaining feature, hovering followed by rapid acceleration, occurs so regularly that it can practically be considered a defining characteristic of a "UFO." No man-made objects or known natural objects can perform in the manner described. The objects which were observed performing this maneuver were predominantly the typical discs and ellipses so often reported.

    The following table lists one hundred sample cases between 1947 and 1962, illustrating this feature.

    Charts, Hovering & Acceleration Cases, Pages 148-152

    148

    Over 60% of the UFOs which maneuvered in this manner, therefore, were the typical circular and oval objects so often described in UFO reports.

    A disc can present either a perfectly circular outline or, if viewed from an angle, an oval or roughly elliptical outline. Assuming that a certain percentage of the UFOs reported as round or elliptical/oval actually were discs viewed from an angle, we have from 35% minimum to 66% maximum dise-shaped objects.

    At any rate, objects described as disc-shaped or round constitute 55% of the cases.


    C. FLIGHT CHARACTERISTICS
    (1) Study of Color Changes Related to Motion

    A special study was made of cases in which UFOs reportedly changed color during flight. A sample of 82 color change cases was accumulated. In addition, 25 cases of change in luminosity or brightness (some overlapping the color changes) were singled out for examination. Could any pattern be discovered relating these changes to the motion or maneuvers of UFOs?

    No attempt was made to discover what relation might exist between type or shape of UFO and color patterns. The large majority of color change cases occurred at night, when the UFOs mostly appeared as light sources only.

    (*) The colors observed during acceleration were isolated. (*) Shifts of color toward the red and violet ends of the spectrum were studied in relation to hovering, acceleration, etc. (*) Cases in which white, or dark (absence of color) constituted one predominating color were examined as a class. (*) Luminosity changes were similarly analyzed.

    ============================================================
    Red Orange Yellow Green Blue Indigo Violet
    ============================================================
    Color Spectrum

    Results:

    Though it is admittedly a small sample and may not be significant, the 25 cases of luminosity change yielded the most promising pattern. In all except two cases, the luminosity change occurred during acceleration or direction change. (The sequence of events was not clear in one exception. The UFO flared up brilliantly sometime during the observation, as it moved back and forth at low altitude.)

    In 18 cases the luminosity increased with acceleration. (In two of these cases, the opposite was also observed: dimming during deceleration.)

    In 2 additional cases (for a total of 4) decrease of luminosity was observed. (One occurred as the UFO made a turn; dimming caused window-like lights to become visible on object. One occurred just before hovering luminous sphere accelerated and sped away; lower hemisphere dimmed.)

    In 3 cases, pulsating or blinking lights were observed. (One, pursued by an aircraft, sped up and the light became steady. One pulsated from bright to dim twice while hovering. One pulsated more brightly as it began a series of erratic maneuvers.)

    Acceleration & Color

    A secondary pattern, more difficult to assess because of in exact descriptions in many sightings, is suggested by the data. Careful interrogation of witnesses on this point in future sightings (or appropriate tracking instrumentation) would provide a test of it.

    Hypothesis: That the colors of UFOs which undergo change during acceleration shift toward the red end of the spectrum.

    From the original sample of 82 cases, it could be determined that in a minimum of 23 cases (28%), the color change occurred during - and seemed to be associated with - acceleration. These cases were broken down into three categories:

    (a) Change from one specific color to another (10 cases). In 9 out of 10 cases the color shift was toward red, (7 shifting to red, 2 to amber). The remaining case was a red UFO which gave off a green flash of light while changing direction, but not changing to that color.

    (b) Change, specific color to or from white (10 cases). In all 10 cases the color shifted white to or from red/orange (5 each way).

    (c) Change, specific color to or from dark (3 cases). In all 3 cases the color shifted dark to or from red/orange (2 from dark to red/orange, 1 from orange to dark).

    In 21 of the 23 color change cases related to acceleration, red/ orange was either the first or last color observed in the sequence. In two cases, the color shifted to red, then back toward the violet end of the spectrum, to blue or green.

    The only other conclusion of possible significance is that the data (primarily U. S. cases) failed to verify the prediction of Lt. Plantier's theory reported by Aime Michel, that UFOs should give off green luminescence during sharp turns. [4]

    Only one confirming instance of this was found.

    (2) Oscillation

    a. Wobble on Axis

    A regular feature of UFOs, observed periodically since the first U.S reports, is the tendency of the objects to wobble much as a spinning top does when it begins to slow down. The sample of 35 cases in this chart is not the result of an exhaustive search; no doubt, there are many more. However, it was impractical to search the thousands of UFO reports on record for this one feature without use of an expensive punchcard system. In the listed eases, the following points stand out:

    * The UFOs which show this feature, with few exceptions, are disc-shaped.

    * The wobble does not necessarily occur only during hovering or slow flight.

    * With few exceptions, the observations of this feature occurred during relatively close-range sightings in daylight.

    LINK....http://www.nicap.org/ufoe/section_12.htm

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    This video doesn't look genuine for the period (color, too clear). It also would be much better known today had it been genuine.

    Your second source above, "alien-ufo-research.com", is clearly biased.

    Your first source, Wikipedia, provides good information about the claims and evidence, and of course there is no saying one way or the other based on the info given there. Something particularly impressive that is written there is:
    Among the witnesses who supported Samford's explanation was the crew of a B-25 bomber, which had been flying over Washington during the sightings of July 26–27. The bomber was vectored several times by National Airport over unknown targets on the airport's radarscopes, yet the crew could see nothing unusual. Finally, as a crew member related, "the radar had a target which turned out to be the Wilson Lines steamboat trip to Mount Vernon...the radar was sure as hell picking up the steamboat."

    Then there is this:
    http://www.blueblurrylines.com/2014/12/photo-fakery-washington-dc-flying.html

    The flying saucers reported over Washington, DC in July 1952 is one of the most famous events in UFO history. Objects tracked on radar, and Air Force planes were sent out to investigate, and reportedly, UFOs were seen by at least one pilot and radar operator.

    It's an important historical event, worthy of examination, but...
    There are rumors and myths too, such as it being widely witnessed by panicking citizens or that photos exist of the event.

    There's a photo associated with the event that accompanies almost every article of it online and has been featured in documentaries and television shows. Trouble is it's a phony.

    Well, the photo is real, but it is used as a fraud, then accepted and repeated as genuine by people who should know better. It was taken several years after the event, and instead of UFOs, it depicts the reflection of the Capitol's lamps- lens flares.


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    Many versions exist, cropped in color...

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    black and white for a more "historical" look...

    williamson3.jpg
    tweaked with photoshop and so on...

    Vicente-Juan Ballester Olmos reports:

    FOTOCAT's input follows:
    Event date: July 19, 1952
    Location: Washington, D.C. (USA)
    Date information: Non-event (actually dated 1965)
    Event is filed as: Lens flares
    Time: Between 23:40 and 06:00
    Photographer: Unknown
    http://www.nicap.org/reports/520719washington_report.htm


    The first known publication of the picture is in Ray Palmer's Flying Saucers No. 81, Summer 1973


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    This time, Flying Saucers are not real.

    Exposed and Forgotten
    As seen on the magazine cover above, it's often cropped to remove the lamps, the source of the "UFOs." It was exposed long ago, in a detailed analysis by Colman von Keviczky that was published in Official UFO Magazine #9, July 1976. A summary by Dr. Bruce Maccabee :

    This picture which shows the Capitol dome and lights at the left side is, I believe, just a fraction of the total picture which shows the whole Capitol building, parking lot lights in front of it and numerous "UFO" lights in the sky at both the left and right sides of the dome. Colman von Kevicsky, years ago, showed the "UFO" light images were actually lens "flares"....reflections within the lens of the bright streetlights and parking lot lights in front of the Capitol.


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    Reconstruction of the Official UFO Magazine analysis,
    showing how the "UFOs" correspond to the lamps as lens flares.


    :yawn: Oh yeah, and your video is featured and discussed a bit farther down the page...

    This is what happens among the religious and the otherwise paranoid - they get lied to and taken in by talented fraudsters who make a living telling and showing these people - people like you, I'm sorry to say - what they want to hear and see.
     
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    I just posted a few sites and if you otice I posted what was discovered not to be alien craft as well.

    The fact is and I am too tired tonight to want to look for these as they exist....is both the Newspaper Headlines and the Video of the TV Shows that were FILMED when members of Congress and Senators and U.S. Military Brass discussed in depth how the craft overflights in 1952 WERE NOT SOVIET.

    And yes they have tweeked the overpass of craft over the Capital....that is unfortunate.

    The things is it is difficult to seperate the REAL from the FALSE.

    But they do exist....of this there is no doubt.

    If you run a search on my posting of the STS Female Astronaut who was yelled at by Houston for not switching to an encrypted channel....there is a videa that goes along with it.

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