Ugandan Homosexuals sue pastor for "crimes against humanity" ; quoting from the Bible

In defense of Lively, he doesn't support the death penalty for homosexuals in Uganda.
From the first coupIe of posts I got the impression he did, but that's wrong.

But he's a dangerous nutcase.

 

not once have I addressed the content of his words, I have addressed that some want to silence him. When he picks up a weapon and kills someone is when you can feel free to prosecute him. It is troubling that you feel your opinions should trump the opinions of others and you have a right to silence those with whom you disagree. That attitude has nothing to do with your homosexual lifestyle but has to do with being a leftist. The liberties that you enjoy must also be respected to those with whom you disagree.

 

There is a long way one can walk down the path of speech before it wanders into what becomes a crime against humanity, but this guy did it and did it with flare. I don't want to censor speech I disagree with, I want to hold people accountable for encouraging genocide, as does most of the civilized world. It isn't about silencing those who disagree, it is about making sure we don't protect thugs who would use speech to incite mass murder. I am not a homosexual, in fact I am not confused by my sexuality at all like you seem to be. I don't have to choose every day whether I am going to be gay. I am not. Never even crossed my mind. There is no such thing as a homosexual lifestyle. There are homosexuals, by orientation and they are as diverse in thinking as heterosexuals.

So again I ask as you seem to think liberties come without responsibilities, will you fight for someone who calls for the killing of all Christians? And if not why not?

 

Red- that is exactly what you want

Blue- he has not killed anyone

Yellow- of course it is about silencing those with whom you disagree

Green-

 

But that is the thing, words do have context and ignoring that on your part either deliberately or not really doesn't reflect well on you either way. Words due lead to action. Don't believe me, go make a terroristic comment publicly, see what happens to you.

 

Trying to silence someone who is using passages in the Bible to ENCOURAGE people who otherwise may have not considered murdering gay people?

Count me in.

 

thank you for stepping up as one of the few honest homosexual posters here. I applaud the fact that you admit the desire to silence opposing views and I hit the "like" button as a sign of respect for your honesty. I absolutely disagree with your position but respect honesty.

 

did this man conduct and act of terror? Or, does he simply have a viewpoint with which you disagree, and rather than respecting his right to speak, you wish to silence him? That is where the left and right parts ways. I disagree with most of your leftist viewpoints but respect your right to speak openly.

 

Well er... Good?

Here in the UK we have "incitement to hatred laws" and I fully support them. Having freedom of speech is one thing but openly calling for people to be murdered... If you support that I think you need your head examining.

 

Its pretty clear homosexuals are attempting to destroy the church and religion in general.

 

You must give people credit for having free will. I look back at what my momma used to say to me; "if all of your friends were jumping off of a cliff would you want to do that too"?

I don't need you or other leftists to protect me from hearing the words of another any more than you need me to protect you.

as an aside, why is it that you know the word is color but some of your countrymen still think it's colour?

 

What a load of absolute nonsense.

I support less religious intrusion in MY life, but have no desire to tell a church what to do. They should be free to be as backward and bigoted as they please... they will get theirs in the way of the rapidly falling congregations we're seeing.

 

And on more than one occasion I've had that discussion with my priest. Can you say BORING. I'm into tradition and all but geez louise, change the delivery.

 

What do you mean boring?

Are you saying its not true, or you're fully aware of that fact but don't want to hear it?

The Church will only be as strong as its followers. If they start falling out of touch with society and can't stop beating the anti-gay drum, they will destroy themselves. Without gay people suing them, lol.

 

not to go too far off track but yes, I'm a Catholic. The structure of the Mass is boring. I get tradition and all but the delivery of the message should be changed.

Many of us within the congregation volunteer, work together on fund raising as well as helping within the community. We get youngsters involved but come the weekly Mass, the young folk don't want to come. The delivery could be changed

 

Oh I see. Well good luck (and I mean that sincerely lol), but I think that over the course of the next quarter-century the church will have lost a significant portion of its influence/followers in society. I'm in my 20s now and I can't say I know ANYONE my age who is a practising Christian who attends church. These are not people that will be taking their kids to church, so the next generation will be even more secular...

 

And I'm kinda surprised that you're an active church-going Catholic Sec, not sure why but I always pictured you as being non-religious, if not atheist... Since you never mention God, "sin" or any of the other Xtian buzzwords.

Does kind of explain a lot though

 

I'm one of those guys who gets involved but let's say that my presence, or lack thereof, on a consistent weekly basis has been brought to my attention. That is when I get into the "boring" discussion. I'm around during the week and they've even tried the old "can't you give God 1 hour each week" ploy on me. I live my life honoring him as opposed to some hypocrites (yes I said that) who attend weekly but are nowhere to be found when heavy lifting is needed or cheat others, tell lies but by golly, they are in church each week.


Sometimes I "give" 15 hours or more in a week because of a big function and I take great offense to the "give God 1 hour" argument and that is part of what I deem "nonsense" with which I disagree

 

and if you read your own link you will see this "Christian" Pastor disagreeing with a death penalty for homosexuals. But i guess you dont want to bring that up do you?

 

They took it further than he wanted in punishment (at least that is want he has to claim publicly), but he still wanted to make homosexuals to be crimials.

 

lmao wrong again...........


from your own source>>>> "Lively expressed disappointment that "the legislation was so harsh."[4] "Lively says he recommended an approach rooted in rehabilitation, not punishment and says an anti-gay bill being considered by the Ugandan Parliament goes too far":[22]"

anything else you want to make up?

 

Nope, he pushed for legislation against homosexuality. He still wants such legislation in the US. He still wants homosexuality to be a criminal act.

 

"Goes too far", is that all he can say about a social/political climate he personally helped create which is close to passing a bill which makes murdering homosexuals legal?!?

He should be condemning it in the strongest imaginable terms and launching another tour to clarify what he meant.

If he was quoting verses like Levitcus 18:22, it's no wonder they came to the conclusion they did.

 

I do disagree with his viewpoint, I don't know about "silencing" him. If silencing means stopping him from advocating the criminalization, hatred or bigotry towards gays that will lead to violence against them because someone who listened to him and wants homosexuals to be violently attacked or killed, then yes silence the guy.

He can preach about gays all he wants, but he also needs to understand words can and do cause others to action. One can be against homosexuality in society without being a bigot.

 

Get back to us when you're ready to do that.