Ukraine pulls US-provided Abrams tanks from the front lines over Russian drone threats

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  1. Bill Carson

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    Whoops, the ukies moved all US Abrams to a "safe space" :D

    Seems the US wonder weapon isn't so wonderful after all. As Russian leadership had said, they will burn just like the rest (British Challengers and German Leopards).

    "Ukraine has sidelined U.S.-provided Abrams M1A1 battle tanks for now in its fight against Russia, in part because Russian drone warfare has made it too difficult for them to operate without detection or coming under attack, two U.S. military officials told The Associated Press.

    The U.S. agreed to send 31 Abrams to Ukraine in January 2023 after an aggressive monthslong campaign by Kyiv arguing that the tanks, which cost about $10 million apiece, were vital to its ability to breach Russian lines.

    But the battlefield has changed substantially since then, notably by the ubiquitous use of Russian surveillance drones and hunter-killer drones. Those weapons have made it more difficult for Ukraine to protect the tanks when they are quickly detected and hunted by Russian drones or rounds.

    Five of the 31 tanks have already been lost to Russian attacks."

    https://apnews.com/article/ukraine-russia-war-abrams-tanks-19d71475d427875653a2130063a8fb7a


    :bored:

    This is what happens when you send billions in aid to ukie land....they don't even use it :laughing:

    Can we hurry up and get the F-16s over there so they can remain grounded? :D
     
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    All that means is they need better close air defense. BTW Russia has had to do much the same thing with most of its armor because of drones.

    Why did you leave that part out, "Bill"?
     
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    The AP didn't report that buddy. Better luck next time.

    Maybe you can donate some fire extinguishers for the burning Abrams.

    The good news is that you can get your very own flaming chocolate Abrams tank cake in Moscow for about $8 bucks :laughing:

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    https://rutube.ru/shorts/5066cdc7ff490608fc72c848deecac7b/
     
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    And the orcs moved their BSF completely outta range of UAF water drones..."Bill" ....you should report that too.

    What about 1050 dead orcs today "Bill"....

    Why are the RuMafia milbloggers cackling like scared chickens over the recent "goodies" being sent.

    Thoughts "Bill"?

    Nice pic....too bad it's RuZzian propaganda...."rutube"?....is that a Pootler channel?
     
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    "Bill" = Boris?
     
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    Since you're a veteran, which retreat where you part of?
     
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    Holy Cannoli .. Jumping up an down .. doing the Orc Orc Cheer Zoomer .. its like whack a mole .. one ridiculous made up story after another .. the cheer team calling out names "Bill =Boris" spreading the "Russia Russia" fear .and ad hom fallacy .. let us not forget that.

    Its just a mess Zoomer .. what happened to at least some attempt to reconcile with reality ?


    Don't talk about Retreat William .. "Day can't handle the Truth" and pay no attention to the Azov "Orc Orc" Cheers .. and cat calls .. hiding out in tree-tops .. and shouting out rude names ... it is just a reaction to crucified position .. and an unfulfilled mission.. .. an extra-ordinary rendition .. would be required to fix this condition.
     
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    Why do you mock the Abrams as a "wonder weapon"?
     
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    Would you rather me call them "flaming turds"?

    10 million dollar tank defeated by 200 dollar drones.
     
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    RuZzian tanks no better...."Bill"...in fact worse.

    Unstoppable T90 gets gangraped by 2 Bradley's built before the Moon Landings....took what?....21 seconds?
     
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    That " account" craps on everything that's US.....
     
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    Abrams tanks do not cost 10 million dollars each.
     
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    I would rather you and your fellow Russia lovers left and never came back.
     
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    Makes sense to pull them back given the tactical situation i.e. flat, open countryside and intense low level aerial reconnaissance. Both sides have learned the hard way that in this current conflict you can't concentrate armor on the front lines without risk of detection and attack. You think Russia hasn't learnt the same lesson Bill after losing something like 60% plus of its tank combat losses to Ukrainian drones? And its lost almost 3000 tanks!

    What your seeing is a shift in strategy to holding tanks in reserve until ones side or the other (this year probably Russia) decides to launch an offensive and creates a breach large/deep enough that tanks can then be moved forward to exploit it. If such a breach is achieved (and its going to be a big 'if') when the attacking side pushes their tanks through and the defender will then respond with their tanks to try and block them. Until that happens it makes no sense having tanks sitting immobile behind the front lines unless your using them for indirect fire support (which is not their intended role obviously).

    The problem though will be creating that initial breach because like it or not this war has morphed into something resembling the Western Front in 1916 not the Russian steppes in 1943.
     
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    If that had happened in a real war between NATO and Russia the first glimpse Russians would've gotten of an Abrams would've been as U.S forces marched thru Moscow.
     
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    Abrams aren't wunderwaffe dude.

    They're basic technology that has been around for decades.

    Your most modern tank got butt ****ed on national tv by a ****ing infantry fighting vehicle for God's sake.
     
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    My most modern? You mean the Abrams? Seems you have some anal fantasies I'm not interested in. No thanks, sorry.
     
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    He means the tanks on your side, "Bill." The ones now outfitted with cages, tin roofs and anti-drone systems in a desperate bid to slow their losses to Ukrainian drone attacks.
     
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    Soon to be T34s dragged out of museums.
     
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    No russkie, by most modern I mean one you can (occasionally ) produce. IE the T90.
    The Abrams I doubt you can keep running for more than a month in depot or 2 weeks in use. If that.

    Don't worry: The gangbang was on tape so we can watch together.

    Roll that beautiful bean footage!

     
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