Ukrainian units are leaving behind their Western tanks and advancing slowly on foot after coming up

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    The bunker runt will probably serve them up as appetizers.

    Odessa...... seems to be an example....up until early last month ...Dwarfstan still held out a razor thin chance of hope that Odessa may be captured.....when he realized that was ZERO....he sent missiles in.

    Odessa...next to Krym... is considered some kinda "jewel" to many Russkis?
     
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    Agree on Biden --- it is the puppetmasters behind him ... feeding him the lines.

    You then fall off the apple cart again crying out "Everything you've posted here is absurd" .. without showing that one thing is absurd .. never mind all things .. just like your generalized "everything is Kremlin Propagandsa" nonsense .. such behavior my friend .. the the only absurdity in the room.

    Do you still not understand what an argument is Durandal ? you keep leaving out the part where you support your claim .. thus rendering your nonsensical screaming at the wall naked claims mute.

    all this triggered by the terrible realization that once again .. you are wrong .. as your beloved Authoritarian Biden .. a way bigger committer of War crimes than poor ol Vlad .. the one you claim is so bad .. while cheering on the Azov Nazi .. doing the "Orc Orc" cheer ... before going into denial .. pretending to forget your previous posts -- something you wanted to tell us about Putin's crimes .. or another of your fantastical Rhymes
     
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    Russian Offensive Campaign Assessment, August 17, 2023
    Aug 17, 2023 - Press ISW
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    “Vostok” Battalion commander Alexander Khodakovsky suggested that Russia freeze the war in Ukraine along the current frontlines, reintroducing a narrative that had been largely dormant since Wagner Group financier Yevgeny Prigozhin’s armed rebellion. Khodakovsky stated that Russia will not be able to topple Ukraine militarily in the near term and that Russian forces are unlikely to easily occupy additional Ukrainian cities, echoing comments Prigozhin had made in April 2023. Khodakovsky concluded that Russia will likely have to come to a “truce” and that Russia may enter a phase “of neither peace nor war” with Ukraine. Khodakovsky suggested that Ukraine would be sufficiently weakened in this state of frozen conflict and that Russia would be able to exert more influence over Ukraine in such a situation than it currently can during the ”Special Military Operation.” Prigozhin’s April 14 essay suggested that Russia freeze the war in Ukraine to set conditions for a future victory without negotiations. Russian sources have periodically claimed that a Kremlin faction is interested in freezing the war along the current frontlines for similar reasons as well as over concerns about domestic political stability and the economic fallout from the war. Discussion of this narrative has waned with Prigozhin’s relative silence following Wagner’s June 24 rebellion and the arrest of ardent ultranationalist Igor Girkin, who routinely called on the Kremlin to resist the faction that aims to freeze the war.
     
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    Ukraine weakened how?

    Massive $$US and Euros being poured in as well as lotsa hardware?
     
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    He's a desperate man with desperate thoughts.
     
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    Update from Ukraine | Ukraine has Success on the South | Robotine Will be Liberated very soon


    2 more Ka-52s demilitarized :)
     
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    I suspect the Zorcs must/should be getting low on KA52s?

    Enough have been shot down. I suspect there's no ejection mechanism on those birds when they're hit....so pilots die in the crash.
     
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    I think he said they're at about 50 now, down from around 90 when this fiasco began. They have no defense against laser-guided shoulder-fired AA missiles.
     
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    The more the merrier that are shot down....
     
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    Yep. It sounds like they are a forced to be reckoned with, unfortunately, but on the other hand they are clearly not insurmountable. I imagine the arrival of F-16s will also help a lot with such aircraft, so I'm not surprised if higher-up Zorcs are starting to give serious consideration to "freezing" the conflict and suing for peace.
     
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    "Freezing the conflict".....doesn't sound appealing.

    Just buying time to reorganize,reload, re start hostilities.

    The phuckers see the amount of $$$ and hardware that's pouring in....while they got sanctions and arrest warrants.
     
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    They can see that Ukraine isn't about to give up and that western military production to cover their needs is just ramping up, and that better hardware keeps pouring in like you've pointed out. I think a growing number of them are prepared to quit while they're behind, even if Putler is not. One wonders what else might show up in Ukraine after the F-16s enter service. It is clear that Ukraine will keep getting what it needs and that, also like you've pointed out, sanctions are not doing the naZi regime any favors in the long run, nor is its military performance about to improve over what it is now. Instead it's slowly being dismantled, its best hardware chewed up, its generals killed, its cannon fodder used up, discontent growing back home as the sanctions bite and they run out of Ladas to give the widows.
     
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    F16s,ATACMS, Abrams, should have been there yet in spring for this offensive.
     
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    If only those decisions had been made much earlier, but there is no fixing that now. At least the tanks and F-16s are finally on the way, and if need be, they will be ready for a 2024 offensive.
     
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    Send more junk, the Russians need more exhibits :laughing:



     
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    The Hindustan Times? Is that really the best you can come up with?
     
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    So much "winning". How can you guys stand it?

    U.S. intelligence says Ukraine will fail to meet offensive’s key goal

    The U.S. intelligence community assesses that Ukraine’s counteroffensive will fail to reach the key southeastern city of Melitopol, people familiar with the classified forecast told The Washington Post, a finding that, should it prove correct, would mean Kyiv won’t fulfill its principal objective of severing Russia’s land bridge to Crimea in this year’s push.

    The grim assessment is based on Russia’s brutal proficiency in defending occupied territory through a phalanx of minefields and trenches, and is likely to prompt finger pointing inside Kyiv and Western capitals about why a counteroffensive that saw tens of billions of dollars of Western weapons and military equipment fell short of its goals.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2023/08/17/ukraine-counteroffensive-melitopol/
     
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    What is wrong with HT ? -- you use CNN all the time .. and the laughable ISW is Jacks favorite yet we do not hear you cry out ?

    One day .. you need to figure out what AD Hom Fallacy is .. and then not continue to make this same mistake over and over.

    I will get you started with the word "Fallacy" .... this word means False Logic.
     
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    The reason Russia isn't winning is because Russia is not trying to win,
    Russia is still waiting for someone from the US / NATO side to be willing to consider
    the Russian demand made decades ago not to move NATO and by inference
    NATO missiles, into Ukraine.

    Same demand, decades later, but NATO /OTAN continues with the aim of
    regime change in the Russian Federation and breaking up the R.F.

    I don't think Pres. Putin would be responsible if he agreed to the
    destruction of the Russian Federation and I don't think hoping
    someone else who becomes President of the R.F. would be
    responsible if he/she agreed to it either.

    And I don't think Joey Bidden was responsible when he decided in
    2014 to do regime change in Ukraine, and then to NATO train and
    equip a huge army in Ukraine designed to defeat Russia.

    Neither the US nor Russia actually wants Ukraine, we just want
    to put missiles there like we did in Romania and Poland and Germany.
     
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    Well, Russia certainly isn't losing. What the end of this will look like is an open question, but those 4 oblasts and Crimea are now part of Russia and Putin cannot legally bargain them away. Ukraine and the West will have to come to terms with that reality.
     
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    I think most of the world already has,

    Unlike the regime change in 2014, it was done democratically,
    and people outside the NATO zone, are aware that the
    Russian-speaking Eastern and Southern Ukraine have
    suffered for a long time from that violent regime change
    (cost the US 5 billion dollars to implement), and it is only
    fair to let them get free
     
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    - of the low level conflict that has

    been going on for about 7 years until Pres. Putin finally
    made good on moving military forces in to protect them.

    And then the US elites decided to punish Eastern Ukraine
    for their attempt to get freedom, by having the war there
    next to Donetsk and in other areas of Eastern Ukraine,
    and keeping it going long after a peace agreement had
    already been made at the end of March 2022.

    The elites and the media go on lying, while half the
    US public have somehow worked out what is actually
    going on. But what can we do?

    (genuine SPQR text as shown by the weird paragraphing)
     
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    Your first paragraph is a non starter....and it ain't happening.

    2nd paragraph....yes, Putlerstan will be deposed, and RF will breakup.

    The other 2 paragraphs are just dribble.
     
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    Those 4 oblasts are barely 50% positive control by the Mafiosi....Woogs....UAF is already on the other side of river....Mariupol in their sites and cut off the land bridge.

    Crimea is under daily drone attack....and all have a strong partisan underground.

    By this time next year....RuZZfascista will be lucky to be around.:)
     

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