US economy is booming.

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  1. bomac

    bomac New Member Past Donor

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    Can you give a breakdown on this? If it is your opinion, please say so. I believe that there has been a very substantial money and time spent by law enforcement on marijuana crimes. I believe that there are many in prison on marijuana charges. All that is money wasted by law enforcement. I believe that street gangs make quite a bit of money selling marijuana.

    I guess that you are saying "What is $1 trillion wasted." Obviously, you are lying about the current government.
     
  2. BestViewedWithCable

    BestViewedWithCable Well-Known Member

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    wow, 23 whole days.....

    why not just provide unemployment benefits without any time limits.....
     
  3. Micketto

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    I haven't said there is no money being spent fighting marijuana. Of course there is, since it's been illegal all over the country for a very long time. That spending will now decrease.

    All I said was the majority of the spending is on bigger drugs, bigger crimes, and bigger problems.

    Anyone who thinks federal spending fighting drugs is greater against pot smokers than meth/heroin/crack dealers/users/traffickers.... is delusional.

    There are a lot more of them in prison than marijuana users. Stop kidding yourself.


    I guess you might think that if you can't read.

    I never said it was wasted.

    Ever.
     
  4. Bluespade

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    There's three workers for every available job, and congress is talking about having to extend jobless benefits.

    But ya, happy times are here again.:rolleyes:
     
  5. danielpalos

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    Because it may be too moral for the right to handle, even with the help of the clergy.
     
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    BestViewedWithCable Well-Known Member

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    all obama has to do is tell the fed to print 10 trillion dollars, and everyone on unemployment can be millionaires !!!!
     
  7. danielpalos

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    Only because the right can't be bothered to be moral enough to bear true witness to our own laws while complaining about kettles being black.
     
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    BestViewedWithCable Well-Known Member

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    Whatever..... It Obama didn't lie about the "stimulus",there would be no need for unemployment insurance for 99 freakn weeks
     
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    Not true at all; unemployment compensation should be on the same Terms as employment in any at-will employment State. And, not only that, simply bailing out the wealthiest with the Peoples' tax monies is most socialist.
     
  10. bomac

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    Can you give a break down of that spending or is it just your opinion?

    Do you have statistics on this or is it just your opinion?
     
  11. bomac

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    There are 3 workers for every available job. No wonder we have to extend jobless benefits.
     
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    How is that "booming US economy" working for you now?
     
  13. Bluespade

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    Extend them till the cows come home for all I care, just pay for them out of the billions of dollars Obama and congress squanderes every year. I think that's a fair compromise.
     
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    toddwv Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You should read the thread. I'm sure you missed some fairly obvious subtext.

    The US economy is still booming... for the "right" people.

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    Good idea. We'll start with the Pentagon which keeps getting its budget increased yearly.
     
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    So expanding income inequality and making the rich richer and the poor poorer is an Obama success?
     
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    They are avoiding taxes and to progressives that is bad you should not avoid taxes.

    Not much, it is the lower income earners that pay a far less effective tax rate. But what is more important to you? Taking a higher percentage of the earnings of the most successful or deriving the most tax revenues from them? Is your goal to satisfy your envy of them or is it a fiscal matter that we need more tax revenues?

    That's folly there are different types of income all income is not the same and there is not "rich income" and "poor income".

    As long as you don't post specious statements about it no need but when you claim it is not progressive you will be corrected.

    We've never discussed the flat tax so your claims of previous wrongs is specious. That fact that you don't know there is a huge personal deduction shows your ignorance of what the flat tax is as proposed.
     
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    Were you expecting the convention of the states to happen over a weekend?

    It takes time to educate the legislators. It takes time to build a movement. To make home brewing possible in Alabama took a decade. I think a few years to build the necessary momentum and to elect supporters at the State level will take some time. But please do puff out your chest. It is amusing.
     
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    You certainly do not speak for progressives. We recognize that some deductions are good but corporate welfare and right wing lobbyists' tax loopholes are bad.

    I believe that I saw an effective rate of 72,7% in the 60s to a 32.7% in 2012 for a millionaire. If you think that is "not much", please tell me when it gets to "much".

    http://qz.com/74271/income-tax-rates-since-1913/

    Actually I just want the top to pay what they did in 1979.

    I swear that the rightists are more envious of the top 1% than I am. I do well and am comfortable with my living conditions. The right is the group obsessed with the top earnings.

    Of course, I want them to pay more tax revenue. Where have you been? They stopped paying their fair share in the 80s and need to make up for that.

    Your argument is that income is not income. Now that's folly. I am sure that I never mentioned "rich" or "poor" income. You want to avoid the issue about capital gains not being taxed the same as "other" income.

    And any fool who thinks that a large deduction makes a tax rate "progressive" will also be corrected. Any flat tax scenario where the top pays less taxes is not progressive.

    You are losing both short term and long term memory.

    Insult all you want but you should at least read my posts.
     
  20. Willys

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    Yeah, it's easy to brag on those low unemployment numbers when the less fortunate job seekers have just given up...

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    JUST GIVEN UP ...
     
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    America's Dwindling Economic Freedom
    Regulation, taxes and debt knock the U.S. out of the world's top 10.

     
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    Also be sure to forget that Bush promised his tax give-a-ways to the wealthy would keep the economy healthy even thought we lost 3.5 million jobs in the last 6 months of his administration alone. Also to be a good conservative keep yourself in the dark about the fact the we've lost more jobs since the Bush collapse than in any recession in history. Live in total denial that many jobs that disappeared aren't coming back. Totally screw up your mind to ignore that we suffered one of the longest periods of unavailable credit in history. Pretend that the housing market collapse, the stock market crash and the financial collapse only occurred after Obama took office. And always ignore that Bush was one of the leading exponents of using Freddie and Fannie to increase home ownership. Also ignore the fact that millions lost their health care benefits that way you can bash the ACA without coming with any real credible plan of your own If you follow these rules you can stomp on the fact that we have recovered from the worst recession in history.

    [video=youtube;kNqQx7sjoS8]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kNqQx7sjoS8&feature=related[/video]


    “First of all government sponsored corporations that help create our mortgage system, I introduced two of the Leaders here today, they call these people Fannie May and Freddie Mac as well as the Federal home loan banks will increase their commitment to minority markets by more than 440 billion dollars. I want to thank Leland and Franklin (the leaders of Fannie and Freddie) for that commitment.” It’s a commitment that conforms to their charters as well and also conforms to their hearts. This means they will purchase more loans made by banks after American Hispanics and other minorities which will encourage home ownership. Freddie Mac will launch 25 initiatives to eliminate home ownership barriers.”
     
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    I am sure that you know that is a biased opinion piece with no facts.
     
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    hahahahahahah... The economy is booming.. and obamacare is great.. and the stimulus did pull us out of the recession.... and yes, you CAN keep your insurance.. hahahahahah
     
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    Frowning Loser, look at the record. Bush came into office with a recession which was beginning before Clinton left office. The 911 attacks further weakened the economy. The unemployment rate was as low as 4% during the Bush administration and around 2004, the New York Times reported on the surprising increase in government income.

    The recession took many jobs, of course, but the Democrats bear much of the blame for the crash. You mentioned the housing market collapse. The Democrats pressured banks and other lending institutions to loan money to people who were at risk for defaulting. Banks took the bad loans and converted them to other financial packages to protect themselves and to make money. Bush and the Republicans warned Democrats that Fannie and Freddie were under regulated, but Democrats such as Barney Frank said everything was fine. The housing market burst of course, and Democrats helped make it happen.

    Obama would envy the economic growth we saw during parts of the Bush administration.

    Republicans did offer alternatives to ObamaCare, but Democrats refused to debate them and the press remained silent. Democrats should have checked ideas from other countries to see what works and altered the plan to fit our society. They created an unworkable monstrosity which is merely a way station on the road to single payer health insurance and care.,
     

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