US Episcopal Church suspended by the Anglican communion for support of SSM

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  1. it's just me

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    "Reliable sources have told VOL that the Episcopal Church will be sanctioned by the Primates of the Anglican Communion following the passage of the Marriage Canon passed last summer at General Convention in Salt Lake City.

    The Primates unanimously recognized that the Marriage Canon passed by the Episcopal Church was a departure from the faith and teaching held by the majority of Provinces, and was a departure from the mutual accountability and interdependence implied through being in relationship with each other in the Anglican Communion.

    As a consequence sanctions have been passed that for three years TEC may no longer have representatives on ecumenical and interfaith bodies. Secondly, TEC should not be appointed or elected to an internal standing committee and can only have voice but not vote in the Instruments of Communion."

    http://virtueonline.org/canterbury-...oned-primates-over-passage-gay-marriage-canon

    I'll be waiting for the hypocritical, racist left to start denigrating the African bishops who voted for this.
     
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    it's just me Well-Known Member

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    The progressive Episcopal Church of the USA has been suspended from the Worldwide Anglican Communion for three years because of their formal endorsement of same sex marriage. The point of the suspension is to encourage the Episcopalians to reconsider their decision and return to the moral values of historical Christianity and the Biblical principles of Christian marriage.
    The chances that this will happen are remote.
    Instead the progressive Episcopalians will react in these predictable ways.
    1. Sentimentalism - Their response will not be with reasoned argument, proof for same sex marriage from the Scriptures, the church fathers and the tradition of the church. This is not only because there is no such proof, but because they have abandoned the whole idea of objective truth long ago. Instead there will be a good bit of bottom lips being stuck out, combined with “sadness” and “deep concern” about the decision. They will tell everyone how hurt they are and how distressed they are by the decision. They will pull on emotions as much as they possibly can.
    2. False Martyrdom - Hand in hand with the sentimentality watch them play the victim card. They will portray themselves as the victims of a “great right wing conspiracy.” Those nasty conservative homophobes ganged up on them. Then they will combine their own sense of martyrdom with that of the homosexuals they champion. They will portray themselves as standing bravely shoulder to shoulder with the poor, persecuted ones. Go here for my post on The Rise of the Crybaby Bully to study this syndrome further.
    3. Pride - Ironically the slogan of the LGBTI movement is “Pride”. It’s appropriate because all humility will be absent in their response. Any idea of repentance will be absent from their response. Instead they will hold their heads high with pride. They will march with pride. They will respond with pride, and it will not only be the usual pride and arrogance of the privileged elite, but it will be masked by the faux victim thing. In other words it will be just as nauseatingly self righteous as you can imagine. “We few, we faithful few are the brave pioneers who are marching forward to bring God’s justice to the poor persecuted ones.”
    4. Self Righteousness - Attached to the pride will be a huge helping of self righteousness of two kinds. There will be the wounded, pouting self righteousness of the faux victim and there will be the thundering self righteousness of the faux prophet. Because they follow an ideology, not a religion, there is no room for repentance, humility and self criticism. They are right and everyone else must march along or else they will march to the promised land alone!
    5. Propaganda - Here is Washington Bishop Marianne Budde’s statement: “Bishop Curry (the present presiding bishop of ECUSA) recommitted our church to be a house of prayer for all people, and the primates’ decisions will not change the welcome that all of God’s children will find at Washington National Cathedral and the Episcopal Diocese of Washington,” Notice the fakery here. Nobody has ever suggested that homosexual people should not be welcome in any Christian Church. What caused the divide was the Episcopal Church’s formal endorsement of same sex marriage. The Episcopalians will try to serve the traditional Anglican fudge: They will make statements that are full of ambiguities, “re-interpretations” and high sounding rhetoric which has no real substance. In other words, it will be the usual progressive smoke and mirrors act.
    6. Counter Attack - Don’t be deceived by all the hurt faces, the expressions of “pain” and “sadness” and “deep concern”. There’s rage beneath it all and you can bet it is going to come out full strength. Behind the scenes they will go for those who they perceive as their enemies and it will be ruthless. The African bishops will be portrayed as homophobic gay killers. They will be portrayed as ignorant ************** who ought to mind their own business. It will get racist and it will get ugly.
    7. Schism - The Episcopal Church of the USA will leave the Anglican Communion and become just another one of the nearly 150 Anglican style breakaway churches. They will do so with all the emotions above. They will march into the sunset holding their heads high, playing the victim and boasting about how they are glad to be identified with the poor, the persecuted and the outcasts.
    All of this is already happening. Here is Rev Susan Russell writing for the Huffington Post. She manages to pack the sentimentalism, false martyr, noble pioneer, self righteous prophet, propaganda, threats and schism all into one concise paragraph….
    To be clear: God is not finished with the Episcopal Church yet. We have miles to go and much work to do to overcome the many systemic issues that continue to challenge us as we strive to live into our call to be the Body of Christ in the world. There’s a lot of work ahead – but today I’m proud and grateful that being considered second class Anglicans is a price we are willing to pay to treat God’s beloved LGBT people as first class Christians.

    http://www.patheos.com/blogs/standi...e-episcopalians-will-react-to-suspension.html
     
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    Rats banned from the social club.
     
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    "Social club"?

    They're Anglicans, taking their Church back from the Marxist left. It's not a sin for them to be who they are no matter what anybody says.
     
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    That is all any religion is.

    They aren't. They are fracturing more, crumbling.
     
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    the church is like a business... lol, if the money stops coming in, they will change their ways too

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    It's just an indication that it's falling apart.

    Which I find good. We don't need organizations telling people what to believe.
     
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    Thanks for the clairvoyant predictions but it would be more apposite if we discussed some of the ideas in Bishop John Shelby Spong's "The Sins of Scripture" and asked who exactly, in the light of recent biblical studies, is closer to Christ, those who accept the delusion the bible is the infalible word of God or those who have taken a more honest and intelligent view and come closer to what we may now know are the actual teachings of Christ.
    Thessalonians Ch:2.V:11 comes to mind but no doubt you'll convince yourself this applies to the Episcopalians, not yourself.
    Angels of Grace and Mercy defend you from the delusions of fundamentalism.
     
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    Maybe the churches here should stop their financial contributions to the institution. If they are suspended, suspend the $ too and I bet they'll change their minds real fast.
     
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    Only TEC is crumbling, good riddance.

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    They don't have any money, their membership has deserted them.

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    Spong is yesterday's news. Change the record.
     
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    By the way, nobody paid much attention to that old heretic when he was still famous, and they pay even less attention to him now. He is a poor scholar and the only people who ever cared about what he said were atheists and leftists. You might as well be quoting Arius.
     
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    How nobel
     
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    The word is "noble". Nobel is the guy who invented dynamite.
     
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    It seems strange to me that Christianity is so absorbed in political banter about one subject. It's gone from worshipping God and following Jesus to a circle jerk of people disparaging folks that don't share their philosophical bent on gay people.

    The only thing Christianity has done in the last 10 years is completely demolish their reputation by fixating on one political movement.
     
  15. Dissily Mordentroge

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    Ad hominen arguments are yesterday's news. If however you wish to avoid disproving Spong's central thesis why not take on another heretic (whose academic cridentials you'll do doubt dismiss) and explain to us why Douglas Lockhart got it wrong in "The Dark Side of God: A Quest for the Lost Heart of Christianity".
    As to atheists and leftists being the only people who ever cared about Spong I'm sure our local Anglican ( Episcopalian in the US) cleric will be very amuzed to be described thus, as will a number of his flock. You may gleefully dismis Spong on obscure academic grounds but I doubt you can remove his influence even today.
     
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    Seems like the standard cafeteria syndrome that many people in these things are victim of.

    They pick and choose what they want and discard things they don't like.and thus define Christianity by their own criteria.

    It's hard to accept such megalomaniacs as just trying to spread God's word. They ate trying to dominate the landscape and stomp out any dissent. It's a power struggle. This is why I have abandoned religion. It only seeks to control people and cares for nothing else. It should be obvious having seen the dark ages and the middle east when religion rules it destroys all opposition. But I was seduced into the programme as a young child.
     
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    The US Episcopal Church did what is right. Mutiny should not be tolerated.
     
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    Appeal to authority is yesterday's news.

    The word is "amused", and the African primates have just removed a lot of people's influence.
     
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    Have you noticed how many Christian denominations exist today?

    Which ones are "mutineers"?
     
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    Glad to read you've finally learnt scripture is not the infallible word of God.



    Thanks ever so for the spelling lesson. There was however another typo you missed.
     
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    We note you edited an assertion the local Anglican prelate and his followers had been removed from the Anglican communion.
    Possibly you learnt from my profile I'm not in the US of A. However, you were mistaken on both points. Not only am I outside the Land of the Brave and the Free, I'm not a member of any Christian communion. Praise be.
     
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    All of them.

    Romans 3:23.
     
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    Then what exactly does this news have to do with you? Answer: nothing at all, you're just trolling.
     
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    Asserting trolldom is too often a last resort for many.
    What exactly does this news have to do with me? Since as a pre-teenager encountering the evil at the heart of a the catholic cathedral I studied pipe organ at and at the Anglican church on the other side of the same street I have had an interest in biblical studies and comparative religion. Not as a christian but in an attempt to know my enemy. Outside of that my main interest in the Anglican/Episcopal church stems from an appreciation of what the English term 'Service high and anthems clear'. Beyond that you could say I have a morbid fascination with the psychology (pathology?) of the true believer and thier historic willingness use so called holy books as a source of justification for some of the most mostrously evil acts our species have committed against each other.I doubt though you will understand then I'm inclined to scepticism when I encounter passages such as Proverbs Ch:15.V:3. If that's trolling, so be it.
     
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    What makes it trolling is that the OP was about one thing, and your replies are about anything but the OP. Like most exhibitionists, you had to say "look at me" and insinuate yourself into a topic of which you had nothing to say. That's trolling.

    You say Spong has a lot of influence? So does Satan. You say I am your enemy? I am also Satan's enemy. Big deal.
     

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