US prepares to wield Turkey in illegal US war against Syria

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  1. Marshal

    Marshal New Member Past Donor

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    Here is what we know: The US is funneling weapons, supplies, and funding to the Syrian opposition. These are facts, look them up if you don't believe me. The United States is hell bent on overthrowing Syria. When Paul Ryan pointed out that Russia is arming the Syrian forces, Joseph Biden revealed that the US is arming the Syrian opposition. How do we know this? Biden said the Syrian opposition was being armed, and he stopped short of saying by who. Indeed the only country whose name Biden would NOT have blurted out in that moment would be the United States. Any other country and it would be all over US news. However... FACT: The Syrian opposition is being armed, AND THEY WON'T SAY BY WHO?

    Also I contest the fact Russia is arming the Syrian government. Of course they are. Syria is a gold member weapons program member and has paid premium memberships for contracts which guarantee shipment regardless of military conflict. That is how weapons supplying works.

    Their developing strategy appears to be to wield Turkey against Syria in a media narrative of Syria being overthrown by itself (the opposition militias), Turkey (an angered neighboring region), and possibly There will be deteriorating conditions and the United States will push UN to "solve" the problems THEY CAUSED by bombing and invading Syria.

    No that I have any problem with the outcomes, but the hypocrisy is thick, and why not come outright and call a pig a pig... Moreover the most troubling reality is that the US regime behaviours are ILLEGAL under its own laws and complaints of the Pentagon's conduct in fomenting war have come from members of the US own congress (Kucinich Re: US covert overthrow of Libya), because these war mongering behaviours are tantamount to invalidating the US Government's ability to regulate war. The US Pentagon is NOT a part of US Government. Its founding purpose was to serve, NOT lead. The fact that they have taken over the CIA, marginalized Congress, and are dominating US war policy should be troubling to every American.

    http://www.aljazeera.com/programmes/insidesyria/2012/10/201210774959651250.html

    It was a week in which the Syrian conflict spilled over the Turkish border with deadly impact.

    "Under what circumstances such a force would be deployed into Syria, is unknown. So there is an assumption that there was an attack ... by Syria into Turkey. So this assumption is I believe [a] false assumption. So although nobody would like an escalation ... it looks as if ... the Turkish government, they do want to go to war."

    - Haldun Solmazturk, a retired brigadier-general

    Five Turkish civilians were killed in mortar fire that originated from within Syria and the Turkish government responded by placing the country on a virtual war footing.

    Recep Erdogan, the Turkish prime minister, sought and got permission from parliament to take whatever military action is deemed necessary, including the deployment of forces into Syria.

    In a rare show of unity, all members of the UN Security Council condemned the mortar attack but avoided any debate about invoking Chapter Seven which would allow economic sanctions and even military action.

    There was also verbal condemnation from NATO but that is where it ended as there was no question of invoking Article 5 of NATO's charter that would require all the organisation's members to defend Turkey.

    The international allies clearly signalled that if Turkey was going to take military action inside Syria it would do so alone.

    "Turkey is trapped between national honour and national interest, the national honour required that Erdogan responded in some way that shows toughness and resolve and would intimidate the Syrians from further action across the border. On the other hand, the national interest is to stay out of Syria. Syria is a potential Vietnam for Turkey, it's a swamp. It could suck Turkey in and cost Erdogan a great deal."

    - Joshua Landis, the director of the Center for Middle East Studies

    And what could complicate things further for the Erdogan government is the increasing domestic criticism.

    The official opposition insists that what it describes as Ankara's skewed support of the Syrian opposition has made the situation worse.

    And in a warning to Damascus, Erdogan said that testing Turkey would be a "fatal mistake".

    "We are not interested in war, but we're not far from it either. Those who attempt to test Turkey's deterrence, its decisiveness, its capacity, I say here they are making a fatal mistake."

    So, with Turkey now essentially on war footing, is escalation inevitable?

    Inside Syria, with presenter Mike Hanna, discusses the situation with guests: Yasar Yakis, a member of the Turkish parliament, a founding member of Turkey's ruling Justice and Development party, also a former foreign minister and a former ambassador to the UN Office in Vienna, Egypt, and Saudi Arabia; Haldun Solmazturk, a retired brigadier-general; and Joshua Landis, the director of the Center for Middle East Studies and an associate professor of Middle Eastern Studies at the University of Oklahoma.
     
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    More warfare under Obama. It's not surprising at this point. How long can you liberals defend this guy?
     
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    Syria is a civil war.
     
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    Bush and the republicans started the wars in Iraq and Afganistan.
     
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    Giving aid and weapons to any side of a conflict=getting involved in a war.
     
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    Fantastic. I'm not defending him. But Obama has followed Bushs lead quite well, wouldn't you say?
     
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    Obama didn't start the uprisings in the Arab world or North Africa.
     
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    Saying Syria is a civil war is like saying that the United States is waiting to be in a civil war because its opposition groups are not yet organized, funded, built, and promoted by a foreign state.

    That would be an ACT OF WAR in the eyes of the US, not a Civil War.

    Why not call a pig a pig. What's the harm in that. I believe you will gain more support if you are not so under-handed.
     
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    Four more years.
     
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    You think the US is like Syria? The Assad family has been in power for 42 years.

    Must you write in HUGE fonts?
     
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    Only seven months ago, according to Hillary Clinton, "many of the members of Congress of both parties who have gone to Syria in recent months have said they believe he [Syrian president Assad] is a reformer." Reformer??? Are our leaders idiots or just naive? Now I suppose some of those same Congress-bozos are trying to figure out how best to oppose The Reformer, while minimizing their visible connection with the endeavor.
     
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    That wasn't a defense of him, but okay.
     
  13. Marshal

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    Syria is a sovereign country. The greatest American, Steve Jobs, is Syrian. Many prominent businessmen, scientists, men, women, and children are Syrian.

    The United States is nothing like Syria, as one pig is to the next.

    Do not be so quick to abandon your humanity.
     
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    Granny says, "Dat's right - dat's how we got involved in Vietnam; sendin' in 'advisors'...
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    How the Patriot deployment to Turkey will work
    December 14th, 2012 - U.S. troops will be in direct position for the first time to take action against the government of Syrian President Bashr al-Assad with the deployment of 400 American forces and two Patriot missile batteries in Turkey, possibly as soon as mid-January.
     
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    The United States will paint a narrative of Syria violating various principles while the USA will lament itself for being decent, even as the United States is far and anything but a decent country.

    Syria will be blamed for aggression against civillians, use of chemical or biological weapons, use of controversial ammunition tips, political aggregiousness, shared resource exploitation, land/sea violations, etc. etc. They will have a nuclear accident or some such thing that will cause the United States to be forced to attack them.

    Syria will be blamed for firing the first shot in the conflict, being responsible for war, etc. etc.

    It will be the United States to ride in on the white horse and save the day, protecting the Syrian people from themselves.

    The US is an evil, satanic hypocrisy. It has killed children, tortured civillians, and created terrorism.

    Next the countries will form militias to defend themselves and radical criminals will fight back, the US will act surprised. The whole process will repeat on 20 year intervals.

     

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