USA a false democracy?

The USA is not a false democracy

It is not a democracy at all it is a republic

You still have not learned enough to figure that out

 

Actually, it's only the job of President that requires the electoral college vote. The chairs to fill, of every other job (House/Senate), gives power to the more populous states while the low population red states have less representation in the House of Representatives. In the Senate, however, every state gets two senators.

The President doesn't legislate except for passing or vetoing a bill when it reaches their desk. The reds' representation in the House of Representatives is very low. That means reds have little representation when it comes to forming bills.

 

The senate can create legislation also.

 

That’s the goal. In fact I’ll make a prediction. They’re going to shut down the country and purposefully run it into the ground so they can assert capitalism failed and socialism (communism) needs to swoop in and save it.

 

That is kind of it's usually done.

 

NO NO! A Constitutional amendment isn't needed. Just get 74 more electoral votes from five more states joining the The National Popular Vote Interstate Compact and you have a national popular vote. It could be done by just PA, MI, NC, VA, and AZ joining.

 

They argue that it's interchangeable(and has been since the abolishment of the 17th Amendment.). But at the same time, if we conferred the power of appointing state legislatures to the Senate, they would complain about that process as being 'anti-democratic'(which of course is the point.)

"Democracy is the worst form of government, except all others that have been tried."-Winston Churchill.

Of course, democracy has since degenerated in the next half century after Churchill's death. So I think he'd criticize it even more today then for his time.

 

They still have that with a popular vote.

 

Because it is.

 

It's the same argument they always make. And they cite places like Canada and the UK. Of course they don't have the freedom to speak, or assemble, or well, most of our rights... but we should do it their way.... sure.....

 

Go look it up before you embarrass your self any more.

 

I looked it up for you and @drluggit ....

The US is a Representative Democracy: A Lesson on Systems of Government (Democratic republic)
https://www.democracyandme.org/the-...-democracy-a-lesson-on-systems-of-government/


"The United States of America is governed as a federal republic, and therefore some argue that the U.S. is not a democracy. A republic is defined as a political system in which the supreme power is vested upon the citizenry that is entitled to vote for its representatives and officers responsible to them, while a democracy is defined as a government of the people and by the people exercised through elected or direct representative. It can be difficult to distinguish between a democracy and a republic, and therefore it would be rational to conclude that the United States is both a democracy and a republic.

The United States is a representative democracy, as the public elects individuals to represent them at the government level. The United States is also a constitutional democracy, meaning that the functions and roles of the government are governed by the constitution that also protects the rights and privileges of the citizenry regardless of whether they are majority or minority."

https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/is-the-united-states-a-republic-or-a-democracy.html



"We often hear a question debated in person and online by Americans who care deeply about making sure our government works for the people: is the United States a democracy or a republic?

Here’s the answer: The United States is both a democracy and a republic.

The Constitution does not use the term “democracy.” It’s true. But as Eugene Volokh notes in the Washington Post, John Adams, Thomas Jefferson, Noah Webster, Justice James Wilson and Chief Justice John Marshall all used the word. These scholars understood representative democracy – the American variety – to be democracy all the same."

https://act.represent.us/sign/democracy-republic/



The Real Reason Why Republicans Keep Saying “We’re a Republic, Not a Democracy”
An even more extreme position was staked out, a few days before Lee, by Loren Culp, the long-shot Republican candidate for governor of Washington, who said in a recent interview that “democracy is mob rule” and that “famous Chinese leaders like Mao Zedong and Mikhail Gorbachev loved democracy because democracy is a step toward socialism, which is a step towards communism.”

“Well, we’re a republic, not a democracy.” That is a phrase that is uttered by people who, looking back on the sweep of American history, see themselves as safely at the center of the narrative, and typically they see their present privileges under threat. And so, they want to shore up the privileges that they possess, and they’re looking for a sort of historic hook."

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2020/10/republic-democracy-mike-lee-astra-taylor.html

 

Thank you for that and embarrassing the poster even further.

 

Folks just don't understand the level of obfuscation that happens from representation. It actually is that simple. And while we vote en masse for our local leaders, even by the time we get to the state, those vote blocks get shrunk into representative votes and senate votes in the same separation of powers construct the federal system employs. And as a collection of states, each state then, at the federal level, is then represented by their HOR and Senate representation. This, always escapes the left since they feel that their "majority" is more apt to represent them if they didn't exist. Time will tell here, and as democrats foment for more absolutism and articles of faith, they look more and more like the tyrants our forefathers fled from and warned us about.

 

You said this is not a representative democracy, so YOU are the one who should be embarrassed by this if you're capable.

 

No they don't.

A popular vote essentially nullifies over half the voters in the nation allowing a few population centers to permanently control how we are governed. There would simply no longer be a need for most people to vote.

 

Your opinion and I and many others disagree.

Yeah, ... which should be brought to an end.
QUESTION: You you believe your vote should be equal to others? YES or NO.

Only in the sense that we have a very undemocratic presidential election system that disenfranchises a huge percentage of voters and needs to be fixed, which is what this thread is about.

A power which, it can be argued, they should not have as it is PEOPLE who should be the voters instead of pretending it is.

[/QUOTE] ....so at that point you might as well toss out all state laws and have the federal government take over. [/QUOTE]
Slick bullshit wording!!!! Let me correct it for you!... "so at that point you might as well toss out all state laws and have the PEOPLE take over".

We don't have "smaller colonies" today. And states retain the right to adjust to federal laws such that states' needs are appropriately addressed by the state. That's why, for example, we have a minimum wage of $7.25 and states and counties and towns are allowed to pass their own laws making the local minimum wage greater if they wish.

 

....so at that point you might as well toss out all state laws and have the federal government take over. [/QUOTE]
Slick bullshit wording!!!! Let me correct it for you!... "so at that point you might as well toss out all state laws and have the PEOPLE take over".


We don't have "smaller colonies" today. And states retain the right to adjust to federal laws such that states' needs are appropriately addressed by the state. That's why, for example, we have a minimum wage of $7.25 and states and counties and towns are allowed to pass their own laws making the local minimum wage greater if they wish.[/QUOTE]

Incorrect.

The constitution was created for the Union, not the people.

You will notice that the entire document consists of taking actions from the people and giving it to a federal government. Thinking the constitution was written for the people is one of the biggest con jobs ever in human history.

The people were left to determine the political landscape of their state but the president is chosen by the Union, not by individuals.

 

The US is a Republic not a democracy.

 

Oh really? You seem to need a refresher course!

"We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."

And SAYING that is one of the biggest fraud scams in US history.

AND the point of this thread is to challenge the purpose and justification for that in today's world. The Constitution is a conflicted document on this. It starts out with the "We the people" statement of purpose that you denied, and then it gives the vote to a small group who we have seen now in 3 presidential elections to give the vote to the loser of the popular vote, and this time with GREAT destruction to the nation following.

So I ask again....
QUESTION: You you believe your vote should be equal to others? YES or NO.

I suspect you're afraid to answer this.

 

I looked it up for you and @drluggit .... AND I POSTED SEVEN AUTHORITATIVE LINKS TO THE ANSWER WHILE YOU POSTED NOTHING BUT YOUR PERSONAL OPINION.



The US is a Representative Democracy: A Lesson on Systems of Government (Democratic republic)
https://www.democracyandme.org/the-...-democracy-a-lesson-on-systems-of-government/


"The United States of America is governed as a federal republic, and therefore some argue that the U.S. is not a democracy. A republic is defined as a political system in which the supreme power is vested upon the citizenry that is entitled to vote for its representatives and officers responsible to them, while a democracy is defined as a government of the people and by the people exercised through elected or direct representative. It can be difficult to distinguish between a democracy and a republic, and therefore it would be rational to conclude that the United States is both a democracy and a republic.

The United States is a representative democracy, as the public elects individuals to represent them at the government level. The United States is also a constitutional democracy, meaning that the functions and roles of the government are governed by the constitution that also protects the rights and privileges of the citizenry regardless of whether they are majority or minority."

https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/is-the-united-states-a-republic-or-a-democracy.html



"We often hear a question debated in person and online by Americans who care deeply about making sure our government works for the people: is the United States a democracy or a republic?

Here’s the answer: The United States is both a democracy and a republic.

The Constitution does not use the term “democracy.” It’s true. But as Eugene Volokh notes in the Washington Post, John Adams, Thomas Jefferson, Noah Webster, Justice James Wilson and Chief Justice John Marshall all used the word. These scholars understood representative democracy – the American variety – to be democracy all the same."

https://act.represent.us/sign/democracy-republic/



The Real Reason Why Republicans Keep Saying “We’re a Republic, Not a Democracy”
An even more extreme position was staked out, a few days before Lee, by Loren Culp, the long-shot Republican candidate for governor of Washington, who said in a recent interview that “democracy is mob rule” and that “famous Chinese leaders like Mao Zedong and Mikhail Gorbachev loved democracy because democracy is a step toward socialism, which is a step towards communism.”

“Well, we’re a republic, not a democracy.” That is a phrase that is uttered by people who, looking back on the sweep of American history, see themselves as safely at the center of the narrative, and typically they see their present privileges under threat. And so, they want to shore up the privileges that they possess, and they’re looking for a sort of historic hook."

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2020/10/republic-democracy-mike-lee-astra-taylor.html

 

Republic.

 

Reread that first sentence very, very slowly now.

 

Pretty lame reply. And childish actually.

 

Ok, so you agree with me. Good.