Vers. 2.0 Why is it those who oppose gay rights or are antipathetic to gays...

are rarely that concerned with lesbianism?

It's always "fellatio" and "anal sex" or other aspects of male homosexuality, never two women.

Is this due to the typical "hot girl-on-girl action" fetish of the ones who are heterosexual, that "perversion" and "going against Nature" don't matter when it's some porno starlets going at each other....

and for the ones who are latent homosexuals themselves it doesn't matter since they are only interested in male-on-male sex anyway?

Why do lesbians get a pass???

 

That's pretty much it.

There was a male comedian, I forget who, who said, "I love lesbians because I agree with them."

There's something about the male body that for some reason, society seems to cringe over. I always shake my head when some girl complaining about double standards, says, "Hey, if they show a girl's boobs or bush, they should show the guy's junk." It's just not comparable. Unless the girl does spread eagle and lets the audience get a good look inside, it just doesn't compare to showing a guy's "junk". And to that, some movies even show penis, but I have yet to see a movie show an erect human penis. In "Couple's Retreat" I remember the massage scene but it was covered by a sheet. Then of course the latest comedy "This is the End", we see the shadow of a demon's erect penis. And I don't know what soft porn is up to these days, but from what I remember it was always boobs: okay, female or male butt: okay, camel toe: okay, penis: ... sometimes... okay (but only if it's not erect).

Not that I'm looking forward to the eventual day the entertainment biz breaks through that threshold. But I think you get the picture.

I know it seems like I might have derailed the topic, but I don't think I have, although I probably did ramble, but the entertainment industry is more to my tastes anyway since I'm sort of a movie geek. But the answer to the question you ask has to deal with society's taboos on the naked human figure. I can't find sources to support this opinion, but I think human society still seems to look at the male figure with a sort of fear. Obviously, not all... not even most... or half... of males are rapists, but of the two genders, human society still views, of the two genders, the male as the most capable of it. We've got the natural equipment. We've been viewed as the dominators. Historically, some societies have even sanctioned men to take what they want.

So when you want to know why society (even the most liberal progay activist) looks at gay men differently than lesbians, it's that oppressive boomstick. The fear mongering that most antigay people fall into is typical image they have in mind of what the male is all about.

 

I don't think all men who oppose gay rights or even loathe gays are latent, self-guilt homosexuals themselves...but a good chunk are, given their rhetoric and PASSION. But almost all of them regardless bring up the "perversion" and "going against nature" aspects ....and almost exclusively only bring up MALE homosexuality (fellatio, anal sex, "this qwair tried to hit on me" stories, etc.)

Almost nothing against lesbians. Who should EQUALLY fall into their "perversion" and "going against nature" rhetoric....but oddly don't.

So I think the theory holds true. The heterosexual ones ENJOY a little "girl-on-girl action"....the "lesbian rescue fantasy" (i.e. the guy imagining 'saving' those poor girls from the 'lesser' pleasure of having to use each other) or simply sex without some "other guy" being in there and seeing his hairy butt and penis (though as comedian Ron White joked...lots of straight guys when questioned admit they like guy-with-girl stuff and like the guy to have a big one).

and the latent ones don't fantasize about women, so naturally they don't care about lesbians.

But it DOES show that that the hatred of homosexuality is not necessarily about "two people of the same gender having sex".....but two MEN having sex and the fear and/or disgust or even "evil temptation" that it creates in the men who oppose gay rights or attack homosexuality.

"perversion" and "going against Nature" gets abandoned when it's "No Men Allowed-7" with Candy Suxx and Letitia Lynn on pay-per-view.

 

Way back when there were still video stores, I used to work in one that had adult films. Well, we had this one customer that would frequent the adult section on a daily basis and his video of choice was girl-on-girl. One day I saw a letter to the editor in our local newspaper about how homosexuals were causing the downfall of western civilization (see, even before the Internet we had trolls), well I looked down at the author and it was the same name as the customer from the video store. I thought that maybe it was just a coincidence though it was a fairly uncommon name. Well, the next day at work, the customer in question comes in picking up his normal pile of porn and I asked him if that was his letter in the paper. After turning a lovely shade of red, he grudgingly admitted it was his. I rung up his videos (none of them were lesbian porn this time) and he went on his merry way. I have always regretted not confronting him about his hypocrisy, but I was young and dumb.

 

As a gay man I've often thought about this same subject.

Why would people have such an ardent and negative reaction to the idea of two men being intimate but thoroughly be aroused by the idea of two women being together?

Never made a bit of sense to me. Either you hate homosexuality or you want to secretly be involved in a threesome with two lesbians. The two aren't compatible.

 

To be fair, there are a lot of gay rights opposers who have also a problem with lesbians - mainly those with a religious background.

I think this hits the nail on the head for many people who feel uncomfortable with homosexuality rather than actively hating it.
They don't mind two hot girls making out on the streets (because their image of lesbians is almost exclusively based on porn made for males), but they are horrified by the idea that openly gay men could hit on them.

 

An anecdote....but I'll guarentee you not an "isolated incident"...even among the "Christian valeus" types.

 

I see very few....even among the religious ones. Almost consistantly the discussion falls to aspects of MALE homosexuality. Occasionally you get a little anti-lesbian stuff...but it's mostly tied to anti-feminist screeds (where feminists are either heterosexual "sluts" or lesbian "man-haters").

but the predominance is talk of or imagining scenarios involving fellatio...or even more predominantly male-on-male anal sex.


Yet despite their "standards" of "perversion" and "going against Nature", they rarely get upset imagining scenarios of two buxom blonde girls "scissoring" or doing 69.

 

I believe it has to do with the way gay men have sex. Lesbians have to use dildos for penetration. Men already have the penis to do that, so I think it's the thought of a man using a natural body part to penetrate another man. If women had dicks, people would probably be as equally as repulsed.

 

I think it's because a decent number of anti-gay people are closeted homosexual men who are disgusted and in denial about their own suppressed desires to be intimate with other men.

 

Not all...but definitely a component of the male homophobes. Especially the ones we see here who get REALLY "passionate" in their anti-gay screeds. That passion comes from someplace.

 

I'm just waiting for the day Brian Camenker gets caught using rentboy.

 

Remember Larry Craig was a vehement opponent of gay rights and railed against the "gay agenda".....

between trips to the men's room for a "private meeting".

 

And it is also the social conditioning of this society overall.

Eventually, male-on-male homosexuality will be more widely accepted.

 

The mantra refrain of "homosexual opponents must be homosexuals themselves" is straight out of Kirk and Madsen's Homosexual Agenda psychological attack propaganda manifesto. It's like saying that blacks who hate whites the most are usually secretly white themselves.

For proof, here is the actual Homosexual Agenda directive instructing the radical leftist homosexuals to attack all opposition by claiming they are latent:

"Discourage anti-gay [dissent] by linking and calling all those that have opposing opinions to latent homosexuality." (page 227)

 

First of all, I didn't say homosexual opponents must be homosexuals themselves. I said a decent number of homophobic people are likely gay themselves. Try sticking to what I am actually saying, thank you.

Second, sexuality is not something that can be seen like skin color, so your analogy does not apply at all. You could very well try to hide and suppress your homosexuality--you cannot hide or suppress your skin color.

Third, this isn't just some bogus made up theory. Research has been conducted on the subject. Here is just one example:
http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog...106/homophobic-men-most-aroused-gay-male-porn

The study concluded that homophobic men were more likely to be sexually aroused by gay porn than non-homophobic men. Other more recent studies have drawn the same conclusions. The only agenda I have is ensuring that everyone gets to live a life free of aggression from others, and that sexuality is not something that anyone ever has to feel ashamed of.

 

I would never say ALL male homophobes are latent homosexuals. Traditionalism plays a major role.

But SOME male homophobes are latent homosexuals. Especiallly those who have this KEEN interest in describing, often in graphic detail, anal and oral sex and say "This is what them qwairs like to do to one another. Sick!"

 

You have it right, IMO!!

 

mod edit>>>removed deleted post

I don't know anyone posting here (most likely), but I DO know that one of the ways closeted gay individuals 'cover' themselves, is by pretending to have no interest in gay sex AND also hating-on those who are gay. I personally experienced a good amount of that as a kid and have seen it as an adult many times; there were guys I KNEW were gay but not OUT... yet were anti-gay or homophobic as anyone.

It's a mental illness (self-hating gayness) that needs to be researched; that's for sure.

 

I was on a blog once with an ARCH-homophobe....the usual rants, calling opponents in debates "qwairs" (spelled correctly), etc.

And ...I swear...in a post railing against homosexuality, he posted a still photo of gay porn. Two nude men engaging in anal sex and said "This is what you qwairs like...admit it!!!!" Quickly deleted by the Moderators, he never even considered the fact that HE went out and Googled up or whatever some gay porn....and that HE posted it....to be an indication of HIS own deep desires, as hateful as they were to him given his upbringing.

(He was in his 60s, divorced, macho Rambo Vietnam vet, grew up in the 1950s "Let's go beat up some f****ts" mold, angry and prone to violent threats. A textbook case.)

 

not all homophobes are gay.

some of them are just very insecure about their own hetero-sexuality or were victims of sexual abuse.

they are hyper-sensitive to issues of sexuality, and homosexuality pushes a very deep and powerful button in their psychy.