Viniman WILL NOT be investigated by the Army....as trump asserted

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    It truly makes me wonder, what does Trump have to do to finally incur wrath from his supporters?

    This is a very dangerous presidency and I do not see any end in sight now that they have decided to acquit.
     
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    I hypothesize that there are two camps among the Trump supporters:

    a) People who believe the press is the enemy of the people, that those who speak up like Vindman are traitors and part of the deep state.

    b) Those that know (a) is a crock, but ignore it because the ends justify the means.

    The unfortunate reality is that if you're in camp (b), those means currently being utilized may one day be weaponized by a different president with whom you categorically disagree on policy. The undermining of essentially all methods of checking the power of the presidency is not a recipe for the removal of political elites. It is a road towards enshrining them.
     
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    Nahh, It's because he doesn't matter enough. He's a LTC in the Pentagon. They are a dime a dozen. He's the equivalent of a coffee boy or a gofer. He is now a virtual nobody that nobody wants to be associated with. His career is over. All he can do is ride it out and hope he can make it to retirement before he is passed over for retirement twice.
     
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    Viniman got wrapped up in his own importance. Then he thought he was more important than the president. Not a very intelligent man. Viniman looks good on paper but he's an incompetent leader of men.
     
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    No...he did his duty. He heard an illegal bribe from a POS who was trying to dig up dirt on a political opponent. Then he honored a Congressional Supeona....like a good soldier should.

    He told the truth. trump hates people who tell the truth....cause he is the Liar in Chief. He and Moscow Mitch are turning the US into a Banana Republic.
     
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    Viniman did his duty. He did not grow bone spurs over night....like the Liar in Chief....
     
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    You trump cultist....the ones not paid by Putin....are the most sumple, uninformed humans that I have ever encountered. Ignoring you is the best way of dealing with you...

    Cause you "don't matter."
     
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    Viniman joined the army and rose up through the ranks, like any brown-noser can do. Trump campaigned and was elected POTUS. Who, including Viniman, can top that.
     
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    Trump never asserted that Vindman would be investigated.

    Here's you a quote of Trump's provisional, not categorical, statement:

    “That’s going to be up to the military, we’ll have to see, but if you look at what happened, they’re going to certainly, I would imagine, take a look at that,” Trump said in response to a follow-up question about what he meant when he said, “the military can handle him.”

    https://www.politico.com/news/2020/02/11/trump-military-disciplinary-action-vindman-114161

    So the military took a look, and decided not to investigate, which falls in line with Trump's provisional statement.

    Trump has not issued an order to countermand the military's decision.
     
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    I can't believe I have to explain this to you but apparently I do. Trump's goal (without evidence) is to put the idea in The Following's head that an investigation is needed. Just as he has done with Biden. Actual investigations are his enemy because they never prove what he has implied. (like with Comey, Clinton, McCabe, Strzok, etc.)

    He puts innuendo in the water supply so the conversation about investigations gets momentum and takes on a life of its own. He creates the shinny thing over there for people to focus on.....................when they should be focusing on his deceit in hinting there was any wrongdoing in the first place.
     
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    You said Trump asserted. That is not true. Trump said that it was going to be up to the military, that is, to investigate Vindman or not.

    If Trump now ORDERS the command to investigate Vindman, then Trump is asserting his authority as CIC.

    But so far it looks like Trump is going to let it slide and not take command, and that Trump finds the military's decision acceptable as per his original statement, and that this is an entirely dead issue.
     
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    Viniman WILL NOT be investigated by the Army....as trump asserted
    Because they probably don't think it is worth the effort. But Viniman violated strict military protocol by speaking out publicly against a commanding officer. The fact that you love his testimony is not relevant in the least.
     
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    John Kelly....who has more standing and obviously smarter than you....disagrees. He said Viniman did his duty. trump dislikes the Truth... Kelly Anne and her "alternative facts" statementmade that clear....

    trumpettes just have to come up with lies to support their Liar in Chief....

    You people are not worth debating....BYE!
     
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    Basically....trump is a giant...stinking....P O S....
     
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    The military HAS looked into it, and is not going to investigate.

    If Trump has no orders countermanding the military's decision, this is over and done, a dead issue.
     
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    If Kelly asserts that it is not against strict military protocol to publicly criticize a commanding officer, despite knowing full well that it is, then he can join your club.
     
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    He's a Blue Falcon. He's lower than whale ****.
     
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    He did nothing of the kind.

    https://www.newsandguts.com/video/w...incoln-project-ad-highlights-vindman-service/
     
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    Amazing how Trump lives in your head and at night tells you everything he is thinking. You should work for MSNBS and get a morning show they don't need evidence either.
    When will you grasp Trump is trolling the lefties.
     
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    That unfortunately is the only course of action on here.

    They just vomit exactly what they hear from their right wing sources, reading comprehension and reviewing the real evidence is not something they do to arrive at their conclusions. It's all a matter of how Trump makes them feel.

    Just keep in mind that everything they accuse the left of doing, is only because they have already done it.
     
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    Did so. I know many officers who for years despised Obama but wouldn't even think of criticizing him even in personal private settings under potential penalty and reprimand.
     
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    There is no strict military protocol about speaking out about a commanding officer. https://www.army.mil/article/47175/breaking_ranks_dissent_and_the_military_professional

    Certainly not one that supersedes a legally issued congressional subpoena to give truthful testimony about a commanding officer's wrongdoing.
     
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    Spoken as one who never advanced above PFC.
     
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    This isn't about how Trump ascended to the WH. It's about his abuse of power once he got there.
     

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