Violence and the Right -- Liberals, Leftists please ignore this thread

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  1. Doug1943

    Doug1943 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    This is probably unnecessary.

    But what the hell.

    The 'Right' is facing increasing violence from Leftists in the US: on college campuses, at conservative rallies, and just while driving with a Trump bumper sticker.

    There is a temptation to respond in kind, and certainly self-defense is everyone's right.

    However, it's very important not to play into the hands of those who want to portray conservatives as violent. So jocular remarks about 'mowing down' anti-ICE protestors, and similar expressions of justified outrage -- especially when the mainstream media downplay leftist and Black violence and play up every example of a racist assault on a Black person or deranged comment by an 'alt-right' pretend-Nazi -- are understandable, but bad tactics.

    The organized Left and the semi-organized Right are in a struggle for the sympathy of the broad center. Most people belong to this group. They believe in free speech, the rule of law, fair treatment for everyone, including racial minorities. They don't want open borders, but have sympathy for people fleeing the hell-holes of Central America. [They don't study their Marx or Rawls or Friedman or Hayek, they don't have an elaborated consistent political philosophy -- they have opinions, feelings, bits and pieces of experience from which they generalize -- they're too busy raising a family and earning a living to have the time to go on forums, or to have the worked-out ideology that many forum posters have.]

    To the extent that the Left, or the Right, appear as the instigators of violence, they lose the sympathy of this group.

    Put another way: it's to the advantage of a political tendency to appear to be the law-abiding, peaceful, democratic force in society .... to be, in other words, the victims of violence, or of selective law enforcement. Any violence from a political movement must be seen to be defensive. [When the Bolsheviks overthrew the Provisional Government, they used as their excuse the attempt by the latter to close down the Bolshevik press. They knew the importance of winning the sympathy of leftwing non-Bolsheviks, and of neutralizing the doubts of those further towards the center who believed in civil liberties.]

    One more point: it's not unknown for the police, at various levels, to implant informers in political organizations seen to be potentially disruptive to the state. These informers sometimes -- perhaps exceeding their brief -- act as provocateurs. The best way to discredit the Right is to portray it as violence prone and/or racist.
     
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    WalterSobchak Well-Known Member

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    Why is this in current events?
     
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    RedDirtWalker Well-Known Member

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    The events he's talking about are happening currently in the US? Just my guess.
     
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    webrockk Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    meh. it doesn't matter who initiates the violence, the right-wing will be blamed, but I agree...always try to let the aggressors dig themselves into a hole. then casually kick dirt over them.
     
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    WalterSobchak Well-Known Member

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    Either he/she has a link or this thread is violating the rules.
     
  6. Doug1943

    Doug1943 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Whoa, sorry. Yes, there are lots of current events to illustrate my point. Here are some links.

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    But these aren't yesterday-or-today events, so maybe the thread should be moved. I just want conservatives and non-liberals to read it, because I've seen a few contributions here in the last few days whose posters need to think about what they say.
     
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    trucker Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    so who made [​IMG] a new monator:rolleyes:
     
  8. Doug1943

    Doug1943 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The moderators can't be everywhere ... perhaps one will kindly move the thread to an appropriate forum.
    Rules are rules.
     

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