WALSH: George Floyd Bodycam Footage Is Out. We Weren't Told The Full Truth.

I still really don't understand your point here even though you've written it several times. Do you always resist arrest? Is that the point that my kid might also? Did you teach your kids to resist arrest when confronted by police in the commission of a crime?

I don't get what "someday it may be you" really means. I've been pulled over by police. The incidents were professional and business like. Transactional even. But then, I didn't try to beat the cop up, nor did I pull a weapon, nor was I high on something.... What really bothers me is that suddenly, perhaps you feelz that being criminal and acting in an antisocial way justifies abusing the police who were trying to contain your misbehavior or something.

 

The point is that resisting does require physical restraint, BUT, that physical restraint cannot be lethal restraint. Not sure how thats confusing ?

NOBODY is saying the police cant restrain people.

 

Then parents should do a better job of raising their children to have respect for law, order, and law enforcement officers. They are failing to do such, and as a result the current generation has been brought up to believe it is free to do whatever it wants, whenever it wants, however it wants, and does not have to comply with anyone but themselves and their own pleasures.

 

And this isn't what you've written. If you believe that physical restraint leads to death, I doubt anyone would disagree with you. Even when medically and forensically shown in the Floyd case that his restraint didn't cause his death, folks still agreed that the optics were awful, and that the police actions weren't appealing. The real issue is going to be the realization that the restraint when viewed legally won't be the cause of death, and the criminal charges against the police are going to evaporate before your eyes. And instead of simply charging them with what demonstrably can be proved, (they were excessive, etc) the dumb ass prosecutor charge above the weight of the misconduct here. And ALL of the rioting and ALL of the civil disobedience will have been for nothing.

Take a case that actually demonstrates that restraint caused death. There are actually quite a few to choose from, but not this one. Floyd was WuFlu hot, his disease was sufficient that he was symptomatic, he was in public, and he had a heart attack. None of which was caused by his restraint by the police.

 

George Floyd had meth and fentanyl in his system, was obese and suffering from Covid, this is what killed him, these poor cops just had the bad luck to arrest the one guy in a million who was going to die from them using that technique. In Germany do you really have your cops in the German police academy or do you mean they are on probation whilst at the academy but still doing police work? Remember the murder rate in the US is many times that of Germany as is gun ownership. I actually served on attachment with the Military Police in Senelager where we worked with the German civil cops and they were robust to say the least. But Germans have a great respect for authority and are incredibly law abiding, this is not the case in the US?

 

My kids would never resist arrest, I raised them to be good people. So what's everyone else's excuse?

 

Great loss to society, huh?

 

The push for global Marxism is global. I am just one of many individuals that does not wish to be enslaved by government. Go your way with your fantasy of what America should be!

 

Yes, people are mistaken all over the world and jumping on the bandwagon to further their own leftist causes. Are you nore American?

 

Does the fact that Floyd was claiming he couldn't breathe before he was ever on the ground mean anything to any of you?

 

when the goal is to bring down the Nation, dissolve law enforcement, re write the Constitution.....this is what you get.

 

SHh..... you aren't supposed to know that because the riots would have been over nothing...... This is the logic of the left these days. Destroy based on lies. Its what they do.

 

WTF ? Turn off Fox News The medical examiner actually said it WAS the cause:

https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/george-floyd-family-release-results-autopsy-70994420

 

Ok......

 

It was not, and will not be when the proceedings are announced. The cause of death was a heart attack. The neck restraint didn't cause the heart attack. Dude was high on Meth and Fentanyl at the time, as well as being WuFlu hot. How many folks did he infect while on his criminal bender? The examiner you mention, wasn't he paid by the family?

Oh, and nice miss on the meat of the comment. Why do you expect folks to resist arrest? Is this what you teach your kids?

 

The Minneapolis Medical Examiner was "paid by the family".

Good lord man. Now he was killed by Corona Virus ?

And the acvuse of the Heart Attack was what.....hmmm....what could that be........

 

What of the rest of the comment that is being ignored on the part of yourself?

Why exactly is there an expectation on the part of yourself that individuals will resist arrest? Is such the message that is being passed onto your children, to resist arrest by a law enforcement officer? Are they being taught to disregard the law whenever they wish to do whatever they may want, with no regard for the consequences of their actions?

 

Resisting arrest is not a license to kill someone. It used to be quite common that corrupt police departments would use the practice as a means to kill people they wanted out of the way. Is that what you want?

The guy was HANDCUFFED and handcuffed behind his back. What in hell could he possibly do to justify doing anything but either sitting him in the police car or MUCH more appropriately calling a ****** AMBULANCE, since he was complaining he couldn't breathe the whole time.

This is bullshit. The cop murdered this guy, he did it on National TV and all the cons are acting like. "Well OK, it was a cop, and cops got to murder an inoffensive ****** occasionally or they get uppity beyond belief." No wonder they riot.

 

I didn't ignore it, because it has absolutely no bearing on the discussion at hand. Its a red hearing trying to justify causality. There is no justification for killing someone in custody unless they are using lethal force against you.

I NEVER said their is an expectation for resisting arrest. But what I find ironic, and don't understand is how the right can justify their duality position on Floyd that he should have submitted peacefully, yet when someone on the right shows up at a protest with a semi-automatic military weapon, its to "defend themselves from a tyrannical government".

So to be clear, your position is that you should submit to "the law whenever they wish to do whatever they may want, with no regard for the consequences of their actions" ? Then we dont really need the second amendment then right ?

 

You are arguing that the restraint didn't cause his death and it didn't cause the heart attack he was having

So what? The cop still should have called an ambulance instead of kneeling on his neck for 8 minutes.

He murdered the guy. Period. End of Story.

 

The autopsy report on George Floyd indicates emergency medical care was provided, both in the field and again at Hennepin Healthcare Emergency Department. Thus meaning that an ambulance was indeed called. The report even states rib fractures consistent with CPR were present.

https://www.scribd.com/document/464472105/Autopsy-2020-3700-Floyd

Among other details, the report states George Floyd suffered from severe arteriosclerotic heart disease, as well as hypertension, and sickle cell disease.

 

https://www.npr.org/sections/live-u...eorge-floyd-had-positive-test-for-coronavirus
The autopsy report from Hennepin County Medical Examiner's Office concludes the cause of death was "cardiopulmonary arrest complicating law enforcement subdual, restraint, and neck compression." That conclusion, death due to heart failure, differs from the one reached by an independent examiner hired by the Floyd family; that report listed the cause of death as "asphyxiation from sustained pressure."

Dude died of a heart attack. Read the quote. It sure complicated the arrest for sure. Death by heart failure.

Further: "this medical examiner's report does not mention asphyxiation. However, according to prosecutors, in charging documents filed last week, early results "revealed no physical findings that support a diagnosis of traumatic asphyxia or strangulation."

Further: "Signed by Dr. Andrew M. Baker, it says Floyd had tested positive for the novel coronavirus on April 3. A post-mortem nasal swab confirmed that diagnosis. The report notes that because a positive result for coronavirus can persist for weeks after the disease has resolved, "the result most likely reflects asymptomatic but persistent ... positivity from previous infection." In addition to fentanyl and methamphetamine, the toxicology report from the autopsy showed that Floyd also had cannabinoids in his system when he died.

These are just the facts. Work you racism somewhere else. Think about it. Dude commits a felony. Is stressed, has a heart attack, police try to arrest and subdue the guy AFTER he has said heart attack, they try to arrest and subdue, and dude dies from said heart attack. Literally BILLONS of dollars wasted by folks who can't read a couple of paragraphs that don't support the narrative that they thought. Fueled by a race baiting bunch of cretins in liberal media. Minority folks around the nation who had their businesses burned out, looted, and vandalized because folks continue to be ignorant of the facts. It's disgusting.

 

I'd say not only are you wrong, but willfully so. The ME report is specific. And for the record, how long would he have had? How long would an ambulance have taken to be dispatched to his location? Likely, given his health and complicating factors, he'd still be dead. I don't like the optics anymore than anyone else. They suck. Just like the group of cops who actually killed the white guy in Dallas who actually died from it, and not something else like a heart attack. But sure.

 

Facts don't matter anymore if they ever did. the event has served it's purpose.

 

I actually think fiscal conservatism is a good principle. And I am a registered Republican.

Trump ain't left or right.. He is just plain stupid.

How are States supposed to come up with a 100$ a week for each unemployed person?