WALSH: George Floyd Bodycam Footage Is Out. We Weren't Told The Full Truth.

One was paid for by the dead man's family, what does that tell you?

 

you know you have no argument when your own reply can be projected straight back at you.

 

Yeah, I'm saying that it can be murder either way, even if Floyd did NOT say that he can't breath before the knee on his neck. However, now that we know that Floyd WAS saying that he can't breath, I don't see how that would make the murder charge any more severe, but perhaps a SEPARATE charge of reckless endangerment could be added - which could perhaps lead to an even longer sentence than a higher murder charge. As to whether the cop knew whether Floyd was being honest about his breathing - well you talk about being "reliably informed." The problem is, is a criminal like Floyd reliable? Also, Floyd created a sort of boy who cried wolf situation when he said "I can't breath" pretty much every few seconds throughout the interaction, even when he wasn't being remotely touched by the cops. Would you believe him without a shadow of a doubt? Either way, the cops agree to open the window for him, but this does little to make Floyd happy. Then he struggles with the police in total non-cooperation. Then, when he is on the ground with the knee on his neck, he continues to say "I can't breath." That's why I say that he created a sort of boy who cried wolf situation. Now the truth is that given that he had COVID-19 and a cocktail of drugs in his system, it's clear that he was being honest about having trouble breathing right at the start and then when he had the knee on his neck he REALLY would have had trouble breathing. Again, my point is that the footage gives us a different perspective to what we were told.

Why did it convince you of that, but the original footage didn't?

You make it sound like your reason is because it's a white cop killing a black guy. Can I assume that you would also not try to get a cop of ANY race off for UNJUSTLY killing a person of ANY race? And can I assume that you have no problem with a white cop JUSTLY killing a black person?

 

If you're just out walking around with someone and they begin to say "I can't breathe" and continue to say that, what do you do? Do you ignore them? If they continue do you forcibly restrain them and then kneel on their neck to make sure they don't go running off and bother people? Do you do this for 8 minutes more as they continue to plead with you and others tell you that it appears they are dying? Do you then only call an ambulance when they are "non-responsive" that is, dead?

How much more can we go into bullshit details and sashay around this anyway? The cop couldn't have killed him more obviously if he had taken out his gun and blown his skull into small fragments with multiple shots but the conservatives keep going on about how his saying he couldn't breathe means he was on drugs and anybody should be easily able to have their neck kneeled on eight minutes and someone pleading for his life and begging for his mother is just normal fakery to be expected from dangerous criminals trying to pass a bad bill anyway

Jesu, no WONDER people riot.

 

As in a friend?

No, that's ridiculous. There's a reason that people are fearing that the cop may be found not guilty after being overcharged. Whereas if he had "blown his skull into small fragments with multiple shots" and it was caught on camera, nobody would be questioning it. Why? Because the intent to kill would be obvious. Do you actually think that the cop intended to kill Floyd while being filmed? However, reckless it was, I don't see how intent to kill could be determined. However, this doesn't mean that SOME form of murder charge wasn't warranted - just perhaps not second-degree murder AND third-degree murder. That seems INSANE!

Well I'm not one of these people. I disagree with this.

Their rioting has nothing to do with unreasonable conservative views.

 

You're just reaching at this point. Why try to assert that you're more qualified than the ME to come to a medical or forensic conclusion? You have nothing.

 

You keep dodging the question

If you starve the brain of blood, what does the heart do ?

Keep swimming dr........keeeep swimming

 

There was no evidence that there was asphyxiation. You have nothing.

 

Dear lord man, go take a basic anatomy class and then get back to me.

Keeep swimmng.....keeeeeeeep swimming

 

The left always turns to violence.

This was just their excuse in this scenario.

 

The left telling us to take anatomy courses.

That's good. That's real good.

 

If he was having a heart attack throughout would explain his trouble breathing.

 

No. What I'd do is remind them that if they can talk, they can breathe just fine.

I'd also let them know having 3 times the fatal dosage of fentanyl in their blood is bad for them.

 

The refute what was posted. Kneeling on the next starves the brain of blood, which in turn causes asphyxiation.

 

No it doesn't.

Kneeling on the neck in a very specific location with a specific amount of pressure might do that.

So might having 3 times the fatal dosage of fentanyl in your bloodstream.

But sure, the officers went from offering to roll down the windows and put on the AC to murdering him on purpose.

His arrest sounded more like an Uber service than an arrest.

I wonder why they just didn't shoot all the witnesses and start drinking blood while they were at it.

Your narrative has fallen apart.

Stop clutching to it in desperation.

 

So the officer kneeling on his neck for 10 minutes had nothing to do with his death ? He had drugs in his system, but none at lethal levels (Thats just right wing conspiracy). The right is making up a narrative to justify what the police did.

His death literally happened on camera, so who should we believe.....the Politicians or our lying eyes ? They filed charges against the officers, but im guessing in your world thats just a left wing conspiracy ?

 

That's pure mythology. Talking and breathing are related but separate things. If you can't breathe talking is difficult, but not impossible. Try it, hold your breath and talk, it's not easy but it can be done. That's an Old Cop's Tale, used to reassure policemen who use chokeholds.

And the fentanyl is irrelevant, it might have caused the heart attack (though probably not, that's not how it works) but even if it did the neglect of treating the heart attack for 8 minutes was what caused the death,

 

Right.

Fully exhale all the air out of your lungs, then talk without taking a breath.

Film it for us.

Actually that's exactly what fentanyl does.

https://www.statnews.com/2016/06/14/opioids-overdose-heart-death/

 

The Minneapolis ME was pretty specific. He found no evidence of asphyxiation. None. You're just grasping now.

 

Is everyone who is being choked on a full exhale?

And fentanyl kills by respiratory depression, not paralysis. That makes breathing difficult, but not impossible

 

That depends on which autopsy you want to believe.

The one that found no asphyxiation or strangulation, the one that found asphyxiation but no strangulation, or the one that found strangulation but no asphyxiation.

Uh huh.

https://lawandcrime.com/george-floy...-floyds-complete-autopsy-report-read-it-here/




https://ndews.umd.edu/sites/ndews.u...overdoses-in-new-hampshire-final-09-11-17.pdf

The range of fentanyl levels was wide, from 0.75 to 113 ng/mL, with an average of 9.96 ng/mL; nevertheless, the distributions of fentanyl levels were statistically the same, whether fentanyl was the only drug in the toxicology or one of several synergistic co-intoxicants. This suggests that fentanyl presence alone seems to be sufficient to cause death, which are findings similar to those found in Sorg et al., 2016.”

 

Yes, if I am choking you you would be in a state of full exhale right before you died.

Would you like me to explain how breathing works.

If you are talking past a few words you are breathing.

If you weren't inhaling, you would not be able to continue screaming nonsense.

 

youre supposed to use that when someone tries to make an argument against....oh nvm

 

Yep and in fact one of our usual leftist suspects had just returned to posting on this forums system about two weeks before the violence kicked off after three and a half years of PEACE inside the Trump administration and that he was pushing every incidence that happened across the nation as a vital racial incident. I notice that he also did that just before every violent event occurred inside the Obama administration; and so I knew that once again . . . leftist rioting season had arrived; because the operatives had gotten the word to begin racially agitating.

 

You're just full of advice on how I'm supposed to act.