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There was no implication of that it was a miracle cure, that is your interpretation well outside of what he said. That’s propaganda and objectively not true about what he said.

 

It's not my interpretation. The first link I posted includes the following...

Again, you are correct that he didn't use the phrasing, itself, to the promoted "cure".

 

Yes it is your interpretation. He literally never called it a miracle cure. To try and come to that conclusion is all your creation.

 

OK. You win.

No wonder this country is in a mess.

 

Yep democrats really messed it up.

they just couldn’t handle loss and instead had to become the party of division

 

No. People that cannot have a conversation without resorting to mud slinging and historical revisionism are the problem.

 

Yep, democrats. They spent 4 years of mudslinging just because they lost. We are divided because of thier attitude

 

That's beyond ridiculous. BOTH sides are playing dirty and it's pathetic.

 

Wrong, the left brought us to new levels of division with thier unjustified hate of 1 person.

 

So, you just like to argue and repeat yourself? Got it.

 

Don’t care what your perception is of me, I point out the truth regardless of how others “feel” about it and I do so relentlessly.

 

You are wrong to think the POTUS' words have no significant impact on the voting public. He actually never said to inject disinfectant into the body but he said enough to cause major corporations to issue press releases about the danger of it.

I have no perception of you other than you don't want to hear anything that isn't 100% praise of the POTUS. ALL human beings make mistakes or say the wrong thing when somebody is listening. To pretend that he doesn't isn't only myopic, it's dangerous.

 

I never said his words dont, again you are seeing what you want in what I am saying...you arent taking things for what they are but instead what you want them to be. I never said anything close to that.

He never said to inject yourself with anything, no rational person would come to that conclusion. That was leftist propaganda designed to simply try and make him look bad.

I dont care what your perception is of me, its wrong. You have demonstrated you dont look at what people say, or the facts and develop your opinion, you instead try to read between the lines and find something that isn’t there to base your opinion on. Nothing I can do about that, if you wish to be wrong then that is your decision.

 

I simply pointed out that he used the word "miracle" at least twice. It's a recorded fact. Enough journalists thought it was implied that it was all over the media. You can hold onto your conspiracy theorists that somehow people are "trying" to make him look bad. If you weren't wearing blinders you would know that he is making himself look bad.

I never said that he said to inject it. In fact, that was the purpose of bringing it up in my last post. Enough people thought he was suggesting that that corporations had to issue statements about the danger of it. He can't afford to be sarcastic or dismissive. His words MATTER. You can label them irrational but it just shows how SIGNIFICANT the POTUS' words are. Again, it's a recorded fact.

When did I misunderstand anything you posted? Tell me what posts numbers show ANYWHERE on this forum in which I "read between the lines" and discounted what someone has posted.

 

No, you claimed we were both correct despite having contrasting points of view. That is impossible. He claimed Trump called HCQ a miracle cure, and that objectively never happened. That means he was wrong.

You also attempted to read between the lines with his use of miracle in a very different context and imply thats what he meant, when again that is just your interpretation. YOu then pretended that wasn’t your interpretation and you were just listening to what he said.

What YOU interpret isn’t the truth, its just what you want to believe. IT doesn’t matter how many journalists thought it was implied, they are snakes, liars, and propagandists. They also believe, or claim to, that Trump has lied 10s of thousands of times in just like 3 years lol. So yes, its IS that they are trying to make him look bad. Your inability to see that is your own short coming as it is very obvious with the reality they purposefully interpret what he is saying in the most irrational of ways, and even claim he said things he did not.

These corporations only did so because the MEDIA made such a huge issue of it. That is a media issue with misrepresentation, not the presidents words. He never claimed that or came anywhere close to it, but the media attempted to paint that picture which resulted in the cause and effect of multiple corporations reminding people not tod do that.

His words DO matter, but your interpretation of them, and the media’s is not being reasonable. You can pretend otherwise all you want, but your interpretations of his words do;not make ;them something he has said nor does it make it something we should take seriously. If you disagree, then you can be wrong i dont care.

 

OK. He is wrong for posting that Trump actually used that word to describe what he (Trump) thought about a doctor's claim that HCQ was helping X% of her patients.

That does NOT change the fact that POTUS presented it that way. I've said repeatedly that his words are important because of his position. He should use them wisely because it does have an impact on people.

That didn't happen. I posted two links to two different websites. One of them included the word when describing the "cure" that Trump praised.

Again, it is NOT my opinion. It is the opinion of the person that wrote it. You are the one reading into things as I've never stated an opinion on this issue.

Would you mind explaining how journalists are willfully trying to make the POTUS "look bad"?

I could understand your point better if everyone in the world (minus North Korea) did have access to up-to-the minute news including transcripts and video recordings. Trump is quoted as saying countless things because his position MATTERS. It's ridiculous for blaming journalists for writing about his words. The people look to the POTUS for guidance and leadership. It's all NEWS to the general population.

Are you serious? The POTUS not only said it aloud, he said that he was being sarcastic to the reporters in the room the following day.

At what point in a pandemic should a POTUS say anything even remotely sarcastic? His job is to lead and to show the American people that he is working in our best interests.

I'll repeat myself again. I am NOT interpreting anything. I posted links to two different websites; one of which prove that he used the word "miracle" and the other is an article by someone that interpreted his actions to mean it was a miracle cure. Further, I don't need to dive deep into this specific issue because there are countless others out there which are just as bad.

And, at what point is the general public supposed to know when to take his words seriously and when not to?

Where's the cutoff line?

How does that work exactly?

I don't hunker down and blindly follow anyone and I know that I am capable of making mistakes. I don't cherry-pick which information I will consider to have a stronghold on something to the point that I'm blinded by alternative information. I can admit when I'm wrong and will happily do so when that's the case. That is not the case now.

 

Yes, he was WRONG.

President Trump presented it just fine, it was the media doing exactly what you are doing. Making some erroneous claim that his words matter then completely and purposefully misrepresenting what he was saying and pretending he was implying something that he wasnt. It didnt happen, he used his words just fine. What happened next was completely media driven.

It DID happen, you said we were both right. You could only come to that conclusion in that manner. Now you acknowledge only I was right, which is objectively true but originally you definitely interpreted however you wanted.

Sure I’d love to. For instance, when they attempted to claim he was telling people to inject themselves, which he didnt do. When they stated that corporations, “against the advice of the president” advised people not to inject themselves.

When they stated that Trump claimed white supremacists were good people, when by name he said he wasn’t referring to them.

When they spent over 2 years discussing openly what to do about the president that colluded with Russia. Not that they entertained the possibility he did, but given the fact he did “what do we do”.

lol, how you could come to any conclusion other than the media is constantly out to get Trump in dishonest ways is inherently dishonest in itself.

YES you did interpret. Ive demonstrated how. Your refusal to acknowledge this is not my fault.

The general public can take his words seriously as appropriate with the use of common sense. Any who lack it and are easily manipulated by fake news is not Trumps fault.

 

He retweeted a claim it was. I'm not prepared to let the Liar-in-Chief hide behind a retweet.

 

No, I'm not wrong.

How do you know when an experimental drug is working? For scientists, that answer only comes from carefully controlled clinical trials.

For President Trump, such trials aren't something he wants to wait on before promoting such a drug.

At Tuesday's White House coronavirus task force briefing, Trump told the story of a woman from Michigan who was sick with COVID-19 — a story he had seen on television the night before.

"She was just in horrible shape for 12 days, 14 days," Trump said. "She thought she was dead." The president said she implored her husband to obtain hydroxychloroquine, and the husband did so.

"Four hours later, she awoke and she said, I feel better," Trump recalled. "And then, shortly thereafter, she felt great."

"The way she spoke," Trump said, "it was like a miracle. And this was not a fan of mine, but she's a fan of my now."​

https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/04/07/829302545/trump-tells-the-story-of-a-miracle-cure-for-covid-19-but-was-it

He's a malignant narcissist who could care less about people.

It only works if you're naïve.

Nor was it the case with me. He would have a point if I would have put "miracle cure" in quotes.

 

Please accept my apologies. I regret responding to this thread at all but I cannot change the past.

I absolutely agree that Trump is a malignant narcissist and the only people more disgusting are his apologists.

 

No, I wasn't.

How do you know when an experimental drug is working? For scientists, that answer only comes from carefully controlled clinical trials.

For President Trump, such trials aren't something he wants to wait on before promoting such a drug.

At Tuesday's White House coronavirus task force briefing, Trump told the story of a woman from Michigan who was sick with COVID-19 — a story he had seen on television the night before.

"She was just in horrible shape for 12 days, 14 days," Trump said. "She thought she was dead." The president said she implored her husband to obtain hydroxychloroquine, and the husband did so.

"Four hours later, she awoke and she said, I feel better," Trump recalled. "And then, shortly thereafter, she felt great."

"The way she spoke," Trump said, "it was like a miracle. And this was not a fan of mine, but she's a fan of my now."​

https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/04/07/829302545/trump-tells-the-story-of-a-miracle-cure-for-covid-19-but-was-it

Poor ol' Trump. They're out to get him.

You're wrong and we'll see if you admit it, or you ape the guy and keep insisting you're right when you aren't.

He didn't, but he also didn't say how someone would be cured using bleach.

He wanted a do-over since the "two sides" were white supremacists and leftwingers.

Trump is deliberately incoherent like Yogi Berra and Casey Stengel were.

 

Seriously, no apology required.

Trumpers don't discuss.

Not one has acknowledged polls show voters don't like how Trump has handled the coronavirus...



They are unhappy with his overall job, undoubtedly impacted by how they see him dealing with the coronavirus.



Voters seem poised to give him the boot...



This could be the basis of a discussion of what each of the candidates can do to give them the best chance of winning.

The ones who won't engage, yes.

 

all of his socialist work will be lost when President Trump wins with Republican majorities in both houses of congress.

get ready for Trump care, it will be the capitalist version of obama care.

 

Their dislike of Trump is fully justified even though their reasons are sometimes suspect.

 

What "socialist" work? He didn't collectivize industries. The big banks became even more dominant over his eight years.

Obamacare is capitalist. Medical services are provided privately--well, except for veterans.

Trumpcare was so unpopular even a Republican Congress didn't support it. Is Trumpcare 2.0 going to be more popular?