WATCH: Phoenix Cops Kill Man after Responding to Noise Complaint over Video Game

No murder, from the facts his actions were reasonable and the rest of your post is so deranged it shows you can't be objective about this incident.

 

Criminals? Well yes. Find me some peaceful protesters in the last year?

 

I have too. Isn't that more proof that he could have made a different choice? I'm not saying he's a homicidal maniac. I'm saying he overreacted and made a huge mistake.

Why should that be everyone else's default position? If nothing else, can you not see that would make the police even MORE dangerous to the average citizen? There is already enough "empty investigations" into complaints about LEOs. Giving them a pass on EVERYTHING will only make that worse and eventually cripple communities when more and more people stop trusting the cops and take matters into their own hands.

 

"Criminals" who have violated no one's rights, merely pursued their own happiness in ways you disapprove of.

They are the majority, and you know it.

 

Already disproved.

Sorry to identify facts that prove your beliefs are false and evil.

 

At least you're honest.

 

No it's just your opinion which is different to mine. How are my beliefs 'false and evil' exactly?

 

Looting, burning and destroying is pursuing their own happiness?

 

YOUR not saying he's a homicidal maniac, some other people here have a different opinion. Not giving him a pass but we ask all the emergency services to do things other do not, therefore we must have empathy with them as the men in the arena, police, military, doctors, firefighters etc have to make split second, life and death decisions with incomplete information, if they make honest mistakes in a genuine belief they must automatically get the benefit of the doubt.

 

First, it is unreasonable for you to complain about what another poster opined as justification to go on the attack. One person expressed that opinion and that is their right to free speech.

Second, I have repeatedly said that I understand how difficult the job is and how life-and-death decisions have to be made in split seconds. I know LEOs that have lost their lives in the line of duty solely for not responding fast enough. So, we agree that there should be some leeway when evaluating these types of cases.

Nevertheless, here are the main issues I have with your blanket reprieve of (apparently) ANY police shooting:

1. The officer in this clip did NOT attempt to use any method other than shooting to gain the man's attention or compliance. He was most certainly close enough to use his baton, taser or even hand-to-hand combat. Any of those tactics should have gained cooperation because the man was clearly disarming himself as soon as he saw they were police officers at his door.

2. The cover officer was on the other side of the corner so he clearly saw the man lowering himself to place his weapon down. Any gun owner knows that you cannot DROP a weapon as to avoid accidental discharge. Why did he not do more to warn his partner to not shoot? Why was the cop's gun out anyway? That's not standard procedure unless they had a history with this guy and suspected he might be dangerous (but there's no information about the case that indicates that).

3. Excusing ALL police shootings as justified sets a dangerous precedent. Every "bad guy" on the planet would want to become LEOs because they would know they could kill with impunity. Is that a society you want to live in? It's already bad enough that so many of these shootings are rubber-stamped as justified and people are supposed to feel safe in their communities after that. That's impossible when one doesn't feel "served" or "protected". Who is then protecting us from rogue police officers and their dismissive supervisors? Apparently nobody.

 

No; why are you trying to change the subject from the evil and insane War on Drugs to the BLM protests?

 

Because mine is factually correct and yours is not.

You believe possession of a common weed is rightly illegal and punishable by long prison sentences.

 

Yes, he has his opinion but it is utterly absurd, that police officers are psychopaths who join the force because they take sadistic pleasure in murdering people?

1. This was life and death, split second, there was really no time for any non lethal means
2. Do you mean the cover officer or the contact officer? The contact officer just didn't have time, this was chaotic. The officer draw their weapons when they see he has a gun, up to that point it was merely a minor noise complaint.
3. I don't excuse all shootings, sometimes we are wrong although very rarely is this a deliberate act rather than a decision made under the most trying of circumstances.

 

No, you said the protests were in 'the pursuit of happiness', I pointed out their true nature.

 

No, we just have differing opinions based on the same clip. Since when is crack a 'common weed'?

 

1. I cannot and will not speak on what another poster opined regarding law enforcement and their motives.
2. Nobody is denying this was a split second decision. That doesn't excuse the shooter.
3. "Merely a noise complaint" shows the shooter didn't need to have his gun out in the first place.
4. You seem to excuse ANYTHING cops do although their job description clearly involves "split second decisions".

 

Because you hold an opinion that is objectively false, while I hold one that is objectively true.

Since when is marijuana not prohibited by the evil and insane War on Drugs? Since when are you evading the fact that many Americans have been incarcerated for years and even decades just for having it in their possession? Oh, wait a minute, that's right: you have been evading it since I mentioned it.

 

No, I said use of prohibited recreational drugs is pursuit of happiness, and you tried to change the subject, as you always do when you are proved objectively wrong.

 

That is another strawman fabrication on your part. I said SOME are, possibly including the murderer in the Phoenix case.

False and absurd. The victim wasn't even moving quickly.

Name one you don't excuse.

 

1. Then don't quibble me on it?
2. It doesn't excuse him but it is a factor
3. Absolutely true, his actions were crazy, who answers the door gun in hand?
4. Not true but you cannot blame the officer in this one.

 

Well excuse me Il Duce! People don't go to jail for having small amounts of weed, they do for crack cocaine for the horrific violence it generates.

 

Then I misunderstood, now you admit rioting and looting is wrong.

 

Give some evidence that SOME are please? He only needed a split second to bring his pistol to bear. Bad cop shootings? Sure;

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Walter Scott shooting: Ex-officer Michael Slager sentenced to 20 years - CNN

 

1. YOU, not me, brought up the other poster's opinion.
2. Nobody is denying it's a factor.
3. A person has the right to defend themselves and their property. He had no idea who was on the other side of that door.
4. The officer is at fault. Why shouldn't he be blamed for that man's death?

 

Yes, they most certainly do. Read and learn:
https://www.salon.com/2012/10/29/ten_worst_sentences_for_marijuana_related_crimes/

GARBAGE. The medical evidence that use (not prohibition) of crack cocaine makes users especially violent is ambiguous at best:
"The substantial attenuation of the association of crack cocaine use with violence after adjustment suggests that the sociodemographic characteristics, psychiatric variables, and non-cocaine substance use disorders that make some individuals more likely to use crack cocaine than powder cocaine are responsible for the increased prevalence of violence observed among crack users, rather than crack itself."
https://www.researchgate.net/public...ed_Cocaine_Use_Results_from_a_National_Sample

As I have informed you before, and you refuse to know, the only commonly used drug whose use (not prohibition) is associated with violent crime is alcohol. Crack users who are also under the influence of alcohol do become more violent. Crack users who have not recently used alcohol are no more violent than powdered cocaine users.