Wave of hate crimes in NYC

Heros for gay groups are people such as homosexual statutory rapist Harvey Bernard Milk. Transexuals are worse as any1 who would mutilate themselves are more likely to be child molesters. Abolish sex change maimings. Gay/lesbian groups are not to be trusted. The Tucson case is 1 but there are many others. It's for gays to be celibate until cure is found for homosexuality. There's the homosexual Gerald Arthur (Jerry) Sandusky. Theres singer George Michael formerly of Wham! real name George Kyriacos Panayiotou who did jail time for harassing other men in bathrooms. & there's singer Boy George who did jail time for doing assault & battery, false imprisonment. We wouldn't have known this until they were arrested and convicted and when it does become news, it's the gays family and friends who get surprised as we saw with Gerald Arthur (Jerry) Sandusky, George Michael and Boy George. So what I say is truth just as 2+2=4 and not debatable.

 

The reasons are stated clearly in the articles.

And gays experience hate crimes less? Really?

http://www.businessinsider.com/anti-gay-hate-crime-stats-dont-budge-2012-12

And now more:

http://www.advocate.com/crime/2013/05/21/another-gay-man-attacked-new-york-city

 

There is no dilution and no double standard. African Americans are fully and understandably justified in their automatic hate for white Americans. Blacks have suffered and endured hundreds of years of abuse and social injustice at the hands of white people. Blacks are plaintiffs, not the defendants.

Blacks have valid and highly justified reasons and motives for hating and seeking revenge on white people. White people have no valid reasons whatsoever to hate black people.

 

Ummmm....ok. Are you serious? Or just being sarcastic.

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Its just really weird that wholesomely progressive liberal New York is having all this gay bashing going on.

The question might be....what's up with New York?

 

Black people have no justification for hating white people that have done nothing to them or other blacks. Likewise, gay people have no justification for hating all straight people because of the hate crimes of a few. Such generalizations are almost as horrible as the crimes themselves.

 

It's like any other civil rights struggle. When the bigots lose, they get violent no matter where they are, and if you think there aren't any in New York, you're fooling yourself. I predict this gets worse before it gets better.

 

I saw nothing in the article that describes who is perpetrating hate crimes against gays. Please enlighten us, for I think we all want to know who's committing these outrageous acts.

Yes, that's correct. This thread began with the claim that supposed “hate crimes” against gays are increasing in NY. Your linked article states that such crimes increased from 1206 in 1996 to 1256 in 2011. The 15-year interval between those two statistics takes no account of the total increase in US population. Even if we accept that these numbers are comparable, the increase within NY is only 4%. Nationwide, violent crime against gays is decreasing.

The National Coalition of Anti-Violence Program (NCAVP) report that I referenced in my earlier post provides some relevant data for the entire nation, and the data is recent (2010 and 2011). National data is more relevant to the discussion of violent crimes against any group. The highest number of “reported incidents” of violence against gay/lesbian/transgender citizens was reported in 2010 as 2,503 cases versus the total of 2092 in 2011, a Decrease of 16%. The total gay/lesbian/transgender population in the US is unknown, but range from a low estimate of 2% to a high estimate of 10%. For the purpose of this analysis, I assumed the population to be 3.5%, or about 11 million people. Therefore, the gay/lesbian/transgender population incurs a violent-crime rate of .023%, less than 1 percent.

Gay/Lesbian/Transgender citizens are experiencing far fewer hate crimes than other sections of the population. Hate crimes are despicable, regardless of what group is on the receiving end. However, let’s not exaggerate the extent to which violent crimes are increasing against gays, for they are not.

 

Over three hundred years of oppression and discrimination which is continuing even today. And that's nothing?

Are you serious? Or just being sarcastic?

 

Hmm..that's funny- the FBI disagrees with your claim. I also notice that you didn't even link your source.

http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/hate-crime/2011/narratives/victims

And for context:

http://www.metroweekly.com/poliglot/2012/12/hate-crimes-against-gays-and-lesbians-increase-in.html

 

Yes, I did link my source. On my post #50 of this thread. http://www.politicalforum.com/gay-lesbian-rights/303451-wave-hate-crimes-nyc-5.html#post1062651067.

 

OK, I missed it. Sorry. Those numbers still don't jibe with the FBI's stats though.

EDIT- I went back to post 50 and still see no link. Nevermind- found it.

Also, here are the actual numbers from the FBI form 2010 and 2011:

2010:

http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/hate-crime/2010/narratives/hate-crime-2010-victims

2011:

http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/hate-crime/2011/narratives/victims

Looks like an increase to me.

 

You misread what what I am saying. Black people have every justification to hate white people that have oppressed them. They have no justification for hating white people that have not oppressed them. That is what I meant by generalizing--you are generalizing that all white people oppress black people. The most oppressive white people are now dead and rotting. Those that are still alive and oppressing--hate them. Those who have done nothing wrong--you have no justification to hate them.

 

Yeah I mean seriously - the 400 year old black guy who lives next door to me was oppressed from age 5 to age 350, I totally understand why he'd hate white people, lol

 

White people have valid and highly justified reasons and motives for hating and seeking revenge on black people. Just look at OJ Simspon, or the black teen who recently shot a white baby. After all of the violence, rapes, and hate crimes committed against whites by black thugs - you can't really blame groups like the KKK, or Stormfront, for viewing them as animals. It's really just karma.

Black people have no valid reasons whatsoever to hate white people, since most of them would starve to death if it wasn't for the welfare provided courtesy of white tax dollars (not even including the ones in taxpayer funded prisons). They should just be glad they aren't still living on plantations, only reason they aren't is because of white people were generous enough to give them equal status, even though most of them don't really deserve it.

 

Sounds like liberalminority

 

/sarcasm - see what I just did there?

 

Again, LeeKohler2 is giving propaganda by a gay newspaper the Advocate. Mainstream media has pro-gay bias, and if media says something which makes gay bashing victim look like a criminal, gay groups often complain to media's advertisers & that can be bad business. The 2010-11 FBI statistics of the 1,528 & 1,572 cases where gays report being victims of hate crimes gives just gays side of story. Some of the cases, the people didn't even know if the victim was gay and then there are many cases where the gays committed crime before the men fought back and then the gays complained to cops of being 'hate crime victim' though it was the gays fault. The FBI stats of 2010 & 2011 don't tell us that. If a gay has a secret history (quite a few do) of harassing late teenage boys to men in early 20s for sex & then committing violence when the men said no, the gay's friends and family often don't know and get surprised when it's learned.

Such as the 1987 Tucson case where the dead gay had not told any1 other than his Dr. of him harassing late teen boys to early 20s men for sex and then beating them up when they said no. Unless there are exceptions such as if a gay is dumb or repentant, a gay is usually not going to tell his friends or family that he likes to harass and then beat up men for sex. In that Tucson case, the gay told his Dr. because Dr./patient relationship is private unless medical records are subpoenaed by a lawyer. Also most men who are harassed by gays such as in bathrooms usually don't report this to cops. But with gay bashing cases, each case is different and if a defense lawyer wants to bring up criminal act the gay did such as harassment, stalking, assault/battery, etc. before man bashed the gay, then a jury must regard this in deciding if the man's reaction was justified or excess. We only know the gays side of story in these New York cases which may or may not be true. If i turns out most of all these gays committed crimes such as indecent exposure, harassment or assault & battery before the men reacted in self-defense by bashing the gays, then don't be surprised. Again we only know what the gays allege.

 

Apparently, The National Coalition of Anti-Violence Program (NCAVP) report classified more incidents as "hate crimes" than did the FBI, hence the higher numbers they quoted of over 2,000 versus FBI numbers in the 1,500's. My point was that there is no epidemic in the number of crimes being perpetrated against gays.

"Hate Crimes" are more a matter of politically-correct definitions of what is and is not "hate". Crimes against one other "group" is increasing at a much higher rate than crimes against gays. Those increases, however, are not being reported as "hate crimes" because of political correctness.

 

Oh really? Can you please explain to me why the victims in these articles were targeted for being gay then? Was it out of love?

 

Because the gays & transexuals often committed crimes and the men fought back, then the gays and transexuals (mutilated people worse than gays) say they're victims of hate crimes for sympathy. The 2010-11 FBI statistics of the 1,528 & 1,572 cases where gays report being victims of hate crimes gives just gays side of story. Some of the cases, the people didn't even know if the victim was gay and then there are many cases where the gays committed crime before the men fought back and then the gays complained to cops of being 'hate crime victim' though it was the gays fault. The FBI stats of 2010 & 2011 don't tell us that. If a gay has a secret history (quite a few do) of harassing late teenage boys to men in early 20s for sex & then committing violence when the men said no, the gay's friends and family often don't know and get surprised when it's learned. Such as the 1987 Tucson case where the dead gay had not told any1 other than his Dr. of him harassing late teen boys to early 20s men for sex and then beating them up when they said no.

While there are exceptions such as if a gay is dumb or repentant, a gay is usually not going to tell his friends or family that he likes to harass and then beat up men for sex. Gays are usually secretive about this. In that Tucson case, the gay told his Dr. because Dr./patient relationship is private unless medical records are subpoenaed by a lawyer. Also most men who are harassed by gays such as in bathrooms usually don't report this to cops. But with gay bashing cases, each case is different and if a defense lawyer wants to bring up criminal act the gay did such as harassment, stalking, assault/battery, etc. before man bashed the gay, then a jury must regard this in deciding if the man's reaction was justified or excess. We only know the gays side of story in these New York cases which may or may not be true. If i turns out most of all these gays committed crimes such as indecent exposure, harassment or assault & battery before the men reacted in self-defense by bashing the gays, then don't be surprised. Again we only know what the gays allege. Finally they must abolish sex changes.

 

More proof of why it's best not to trust gay/lesbian groups with transexuals being worse. In 1 case in Hickory N.C., Judy P. Shepard, <<< Mod Edit: Do not include a member's identity >>> & Journalist Tiffany Camille Edwards Hunt of Big Island Chronicle predictably sympathized with homosexual coward Stephen Eric Starr. For those who don&#8217;t know, homosexual coward Stephen Eric Starr in February 2011 sexually abused a 19 year old mentally handicapped kid. What had happened was that Stephen E. Starr took this 19 year old mentally hanciapped into this home & told others the boy was his &#8216;adopted son.&#8217;

But Stephen E. Starr sexually abused this handicapped kid by putting drugs in his Mucinex. The 19 year old kid shot and killed Stephen E. Starr in his sleep and then mutilated his body with ax. Stephen E. Starr committed a crime by sexually abusing a handicapped kid & that kid took his revenge. Judy P. Shepard & other homosexual groups see nothing wrong with homosexual coward Stephen E. Starr sexually abusing a 19 year old handicapped kid. Don&#8217;t be surprised if Stephen Eric Starr had done this before to other teen boys but that this time, the kid killed him.

 

It is inherent, natural, and in genes of white people to oppress and exploit black people for personal financial gain -- the most egregious example being wealthy, white southern plantation owners. Today's white man will say he would not oppress black people -- but he would if the opportunity arose -- and black people know it.

The Civil War to free southern slaves did not happen because northern white people (Yankees) were against slavery. It happened because northern politicians were under immense economic, commercial and competitive trading pressure from other nations, including influential Jewish people who demanded that Lincoln end slavery in the United States.

Common Yankee whites didn't care much one way or the other. And a lot of them owned slaves also.

Today's white men should not feign innocence when they know in their hearts and souls they would happily and eagerly oppress black people if they could.

Just as the culture of black people is violence, the culture of white people is to oppress, subdue and exploit people of color to do manual labor.

 

Well, that's one theory.

One thing that's in my head though, is that a lot of this kind of stuff tends to crop up when people are uncertain about the economic future. If people are afraid, they look for scapegoats, and minorities make a handy target, especially if they're in the news a lot. So given that the economy has been in the tank since 2008 and people are scared of losing their livelyhood to job loses, and gays are in the news a lot, I think it makes sense.

 

I'm not questioning that those gays may have been attacked just because they're gay. Of course they were not abused because the abusers loved them.

My concern about these supposed "hate crimes" is that SOME groups are abused far more often, and that abuse is almost NEVER considered a "hate crime". At the same time that gays are being assaulted in numbers of 1,000-2,000 every year, white females are being raped in numbers exceeding 30,000 every year by SOME other group. Only 1 of those rapes was classified as a "hate crime". On the other hand, another group committed rapes against black females fewer than 10 times every year, and virtually ALL of those cases WERE considered "hate crimes".

I wholehearted despise ALL who commit crimes targeting people because of their sexual preference, religion, or skin color. It appears, however, that our government believes that those who target whites for rape and assault are doing so out of "love"!