Welfare or a Living Wage?

Discussion in 'Opinion POLLS' started by Shiva_TD, Jun 30, 2017.

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Should we require a Living Wage or should we provide Welfare Assistance.

  1. A Living Wage

    69.2%
  2. Welfare Assistance

    30.8%
  1. Injeun

    Injeun Well-Known Member

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    What's the best way to make an honest living, bank robbery or extortion?
    We can't have people homeless and hungry. So what's the best way to make an honest living, and to put roofs over their heads and food on their tables, bank robbery or extortion?
     
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    The poor already work multiple jobs because they are not paid a living wage. They already share housing because they can barely afford to make ends meet. Explain why all the cheap goods currently flooding the US markets have NOT "eliminated poverty"?

    That you know nothing whatsoever about how the poor struggle in this economy explains why you don't have a clue about how to eliminate poverty. x

    You have never even given the subject of how to eliminate poverty any thought whatsoever, have you?

    Come back when you have researched the subject matter and have some serious ideas worth discussing.
     
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    True. Unfortunately, the hourly wage for a full time position is only one part of employee costs. By hiring on a contract bases, somebody
    else is responsible for employee benefits such as payroll clerk expense and soc. sec. deductions of which half is employer responsibility, paid health benefits, paid sick days, paid holidays, paid vacation days, paid business insurance, bank loans, pay for someone who has a lousy work ethic, etc. No, contracted work is cheaper. Trust me.
     
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  4. Longshot

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    Any healthy person in American who has the desire can lift themselves out of poverty. And as only 13.5% of Americans are in poverty, it would take only another 13.5% of concerned Americans like yourself to offer them free room and board.

    Come back when you are providing free room and board to one of these impoverished people.
     
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    To prevent the person from ceasing to exist the person is required to see to it that he provides himself the minimum mandatory expenditures required to exist.

    Don't know where you get the crap about the government, that is the person's neighbors, being required to provide him anything.
    There is no requirement. That is a random insertion of your personal feelings into your attempt at a logical proof.
     
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    hint: it has to do with the fiat dollar and its position as the world's reserve currency which requires exponentail creation of credit and massive trade deficits to fund the world's supply of dollars.

    Not that you would care to think any deeper about the topic than a fourth grader with some silly theory about living wages and other such simplistic nonsense
     
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    They want to offer them your money instead
     
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    people are very good at taking care of the truly needy.
    There is no obligation however.
     
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    we can naturally raise wages for the poor by removing regulations on pollution causing jobs such as coal and oil, and the tariffs and huge wall to ban cheap labor.

    that way no one needs to go in debt with college educations, and the law of supply and demand will prevent landlords from raising rents, and businesses from increasing prices.
     
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    the US dollar as worlds reserve currency allows America to be great through control of the worlds money supply.

    the rich have our best interests at heart.
     
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    Yet another abject failure on your part!

    Since the government is already providing them with housing subsidies offering them free room and board won't make one iota of difference to them.

    Still haven't researched the situation, have you?
     
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    Another myth.
     
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    And we can all agree to the stipulation that people we are TRULY disabled and unable t work AT ALL may be worthy of some form of subsitence.
    Would you agree those who are not should not be except for a VERY limit time.

    Ahh no. You have no righjt to other peoples labor becauee you want take a job you don't like.

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    The person creating a family of for and then demanding other people get up in te morning and go to work to earn the money to support it is garbage.
     
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    there must be some necessity you're willing to buy on their behalf, out of your own wallet, ...............not.
     
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    So you want to force people into government labor camps.
     
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    I did not vote because "Living wage" needs to be further expounded upon.
     
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    Shiva, would it be justified to force employers to pay a "living wage"? The devaluing of the currency has to do with federal expenditure and debt. Maybe if a sober examination of expenditures was conducted, the devaluing of the currency or money would slow. Borowing should also be given a serious and sober examination. Maybe I am peeing in the wind, but these proposals should be taken seriously.
     
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    So more people with more money buying more goods dooms them. I don't follow.
     
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    Most of those lazy people won't go to a ditch and just die. They will still find ways to eat. Perhaps not legal ways.
    So they may steal, and if caught end up in jail. Where we the taxpayers pay for their entire existence at that point.
     
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    My preference is for able-bodied adult people to be able to sustain themselves with full time work rather than to qualify for welfare. IMO, that ought to be reserved for those who are physically or mentally unable to work.

    We'll probably never see this happen in our lifetimes, but it's still interesting to talk about. But if it were to happen, it could be phased in over 10-12 years.

    To my conservative friends, this would eliminate a large percentage of welfare, and help lead to a balanced federal budget. And, when my conservative friends pan the idea, they are, in effect if not intent, supporting the ongoing welfare state. Two sides to every story, my friends...

    Seth :oldman:
     
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    Or they will all vote and put in people who will keep the welfare system and make it better for the poor, politicians will kiss up and help any group keeping them in office.
     
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    Nobody wants to look at why things cost so much. They just give the fourth grade "businesses are greedy" spew, without firing one synspse
     
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    Then they had best find a way to make their contributions worthy of the $20k.
     
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    You're right, a parasite will always put more energy and effort into taking something that belongs to someone else than in creating something themselves for themselves.... And, if they commit crimes, they need to be sent to places of incarceration -- but -- prisons don't have to be constructed or run like five-star hotels.

    Take a few dozen square miles of the Nevada desert, build prison compounds on them made like old World-War II-style military barracks (or, 're-purpose" some of the abandoned crap that's already out there), and put the bums on the cheapest food obtainable, three "squares" a day....

    The parasites who are content to live like that can stay all their lives if they want to -- but -- no drugs, no alcohol, no free TV, no free computers, no free internet, and no other taxpayer supported "fun". Just unending subsistence-welfare... a parasite's paradise! And when the ACLU shows up to bitch about it, throw them in prison for obstructing justice!

    [​IMG] Paradise for parasites, paid for by Uncle Sugar! :unclesam:
     
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