What can we do to minimize the daily violence here in WA?

Perhaps it is effective, but it is clearly hypocritical.

 

If we are aiming to prevent crime and lower recidivism rates then I dont see the issue. Many people squirm at the idea but the alternative of placing a young offender in an institution for a lengthy period is far worse in my opinion.

 

I do agree - but then, others need to be protected - so what are we going to do?

Bootcamps for offenders? Ban alcohol for good? Allowing religion a bigger part in our lifes (do we need to believe to become a better person?) I don't know...

Scrap all american influenecs from teli or computers? Wouldn't that mean all american influence is bad - is it all bad?

What gives me the (*)(*)(*)(*)s is that I felt more safe in a couple of months overseas than at home in WA. This cannot be, and needs to stop....

 

Great idea, was tried before but the bureaucrats wouldnt let it work. On so many levels it would be a very good idea.

Close, you commit an alcohol related crime you lose the right to consume it.

We need to get away from this 24 hour society the corporations are creating here, Sundays should be a day where people can go to church if they wish but not have to go to work to feed our demand for consumer goods.

I think we need to be much more selective, certainly all this violent media including these video games which have disastrous effects on childs brains need to be banned completely.

I know what the answer isnt, and that is across the board longer prison sentences.

 

I was talking about the "gangsta" culture long before this.

 

I’ve always felt our prison system needs a shake up.

More should be done to separate 1st time and non-violent offenders from the main population and concentrate on rehab’.

Some 1st time offenders could be treated leniently, and have large suspended sentences hanging over them, screw up again and you are in serious trouble.

Those serving longer terms should have their sentences divided up into sections:

Punishment for the crime – Few freedoms, completing hard labor and a spotless record while incarcerated. Screw up and you start again. Poor behavior not tolerated under any circumstances.

Rehabilitation – Focused on education and job/life skills – Screw up and you start again. Poor behavior not tolerated under any circumstances.

Preparation for release – More life skills, home detention initiatives. Screw up and you start again. Poor behavior not tolerated under any circumstances.

Drugs and gangs need to be wiped out in prisons. There should be no leniency on those committing crimes while inside. Zero tolerance of drugs.

I know none of above perfect. Criminals need to earn their freedom by towing the line, learning and staying clean.

 

Gang culture has been with us for years...human nature to group together, although the reason in this case is for the perpetration of crime, violence and basic intimidation...but USA influence is alive and well...via Hollywood...WWE
(an extension of Hollywood) and the general attempted Americanisation
of the world....I wonder if frustration is involved in USA when a kid takes
a gun to school and starts killing everyone...hhhmmm...as I said before...it will get worse...and I think sometimes that Australia is not that far behind
USA....maybe ten years....years ago, if there was a blue, two blokes would
go outside and settle their differences, one on one...these days, if a bloke
goes down, he's set upon by several others acting like a pack of wild dogs...
their actions are being reinforced by what they see on television, films, WWE,
attitudes, values and feelings used to be taught in schools....they may
still be, but no-ones listening.....our politicians and bureacrats are weak and
none of them are at the coalface...they are at home in their cosy little
electorate.....feel the frustration coming through folks.....

Rambling a bit here....

 

Let's get the violence, sex, nudity and foul language off TV for starters. We also need to try and curtail the culture of violence that has crept into society, who has seen BAD BOY with an angry face stuck on the rear windscreen of a car? Have a look at the graffiti around cities, lots of angry faces. Computer game violence has become extreme. I was complaining about violent computer games twenty years ago when I saw the affect they had on my own son. The more time he spent playing, the worse is general attitude and behaviour became.
Schools need to be stricter, it is all about self discipline. When I went to school we had grooming inspections, you had to have leather shoes and they had be polished, there were hair regulations and your finger nails had to trimmed and clean. It was all about self discipline. If you turned up at school unkempt you could be sent home. If you persisted with unpolished shoes or other bad grooming you would get the cane if you were a boy or the strap for girls. I can tell you, 99% of the kids at my school were well presented. No one wanted the embarrassment of being told off in front of the whole school for failing to brush your hair.
If you forgot twice in a row to bring your bathers when we had swimming lessons you were canned, if you didn't do your homework and didn't have a good enough excuse, the cane! Caught swearing, being disrespectful or behaving improperly, detention or the cane or strap. We learnt self discipline!!
Knowing the experience of my own children going through school, schools are not anything like that today.
My son was told by his english teacher that it didn't matter if he got the spelling wrong or the grammer wrong, or the punctuation wrong, so long as his message was understandable that was all that mattered!!!

 

we already have all this. it isnt working.

You wont get drugs and gangs out of prisons until you stop them outside.

 

Really? Sentences are broken down into 3 sections and any failure puts the criminal back to the start of that section, well I’ll be, (*)(*)(*)(*) I’m clever.


Drug testing should be random, prolific and punishment very harsh in terms of extra time incarcerated.

 

Not that clever, its exactly the way the system works now.

Already happens, what you are suggesting is the way the system actually works now although punishment is normally in house, isolation etc. Longer sentences dont work, thats the whole point.

 

That first one you mention was done by an aboriginal youth. There is a call now to debate what can be done about aboriginal arime in WA from the police commissioner.

 

Well written.
I remember visiting one of sons who has two boys, now 16 and 13...this visit was a couple of years ago, and sitting at the table for dinner the older boy,
in my opinion was loud, boisterous, and disrespectful to his mother...when I commented later about it, I was told "they're just kids"....although I love them all very much, I agree with what you are saying 100%....respect, self respect, discipline, loyalty, and other values should be taught in the home and reinforced at school, and vice versa....unfortunately they are not...
WHY....because either no-one cares, and everyone has given up....or
everyone has given up and no-one cares....
Children these days, who grow into young adults, then adults, are not punished sufficiently, or at all, and they get away with "murder" so to
speak....brought about by lack of the cane and lack of spanking at home....
That same grandson, this year, I was told by his father, was shopping in the Mall a couple of months ago, and his mother asked him about a low
mark on his report card....his answer...in public to his mother....
"(*)(*)(*)(*) off".....................need I say more....punishment for this......nil....
Violence on TV and violent video games.....dont wind me up.....an axe is needed to be inserted into tvs sometimes with all the crap that is shown.....

There will be no U turn either....I assure you of that....society is on
a downward spiral, Im afraid...ask any male or female our age....everyone
knows my views on over-supply of alcohol.....wont change.....too much tax
involved to reduce supply.....

 

Its up to the parents to control what the kids watch on TV's. Its all the parents fault IMO. The parents have no idea what some of these kids get up to when out of adult supervision = genuine evil little barstardz.

Once they've had a screwed upbringing and become adults its too late to expect much more... they are already busted in the head and basically remain spoilt brats - we call them "adult children". And they mate then the cycle continues.

I dont want my rights limited because of them, and once they are adults I think the judges are too soft of punishments and the prisons are too soft on lifestyle. The prisons should at least try to impart some fear and make them want to respect others.

 

Another thing that I think is wrong is the way today that you do not have to work hard to be rewarded. Go to any kids sporting event and EVERY participant gets a trophy. You don't have to win or get a place, you just have to participate.
When I was a kid only the best, only those who really tried, were rewarded with a trophy. Only the winner got a trophy, second and third got a certificate if they were lucky. It's all about self discipline again.
We have become lazy, decadent and soft. I would like to see compulsory military service for everyone when they turn 17. Two years of training and hard work. 50% of their pay being put aside for when they finish. I am sure Kids would benefit enormously from the experience and come out of it ready to face the world with some self respect, reasonable expectations, decent morals and a good work ethic. And have a few bucks in their pocket to start with. They would be fit and healthy too, not like the young fat lazy slobs you see slouching about the place today.

 

Yeap you are right there, nowadays everyone is a hero. Far to easy in my point of view.
What still gets me is that you can have drinks in Europe in public, and guess what, most people don't. Its not regarded as something fashionable, or socially obviously not well accepted.
And if you find the ones who despite do, agro manners are hardly seen.
We in WA have no drinking in public, still many do, even behind the wheel. And if we drink, it gets loud and sometimes very ugly.
So something in us must differ from those bloody Euros...

 

It sounds like the government needs to outlaw bashing. That should do the trick.

 

Ah yes, because nobody ever breaks the law. Genius!

 

Well i didn't know that.

Prison sentences are broken down into 3 distinct sections and if a crim fails a section, they go back to the start of that section!

Can you post up some information please.

 

http://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/a/...olice-chief-says-face-up-to-aboriginal-crime/

http://www.watoday.com.au/wa-news/top-cops-plan-to-tackle-aboriginal-crime-20111102-1mv3v.html

So it would seem that what we need to deal with is the aboriginal crime rate and to do so that we are going to need to implement a drinking ban and a curfew...2 things that are very unpopular amongst the P/C crowd.

 

It was obviously a joke. When I`ve got a couple of days to spare, I`ll try to explain it to you.

 

Don`t hold your breath, especially if any mathematics are involved.

 

As was my reply.

You're really not that sharp, are you?







(Now, is this post a joke or not? That will give you something to think about tonight while you're stacking those shelves.)

 

Well this is what you posted

To start with we are talking about the justice system of which the prison system is a part of. Your post shows pretty much how it all is supposed to work anyway, the problem with having rigid guidelines is that it takes away the magistrates ability and discretion to deal with individuals on a case by case basis which is what is required. In fact this is the problem with the whole justice system and where we go wrong. Its easy to say that criminals need to learn to tow the line to gain freedom but this approach just doesnt work for someone who has been born with fetal alcohol sysndrome and who will never learn impulse control, it also doesnt work with many of the mentally ill who we are seeing increasing amounts of in the prison system. Like I said there is no one size fits all.

 

Dont give up your dole cheque & try to write comedy, whatever you do.