From the former thread entitled "what is a fact": My new responses for that post will be in red letter. Quote: [TABLE] [TR] [TD="class: alt2"] [HR][/HR] Originally Posted by Creation Quote: [TABLE] [TR] [TD="class: alt2"] [HR][/HR] Originally Posted by Incorporeal If you desire to call the statement 'telling', then I suppose you do have the freedom to do so, but mind you, there are obligations toward proving a claim. Are you suggesting that the effort would be too difficult for you to accomplish? Or what? [HR][/HR] [/TD] [/TR] [/TABLE] Quote: [TABLE] [TR] [TD="class: alt2"] [HR][/HR] Originally Posted by Creation Um ok then, how about the fact that water freezes at 0 degrees. Is that an immutable truth? Or is it subjective? [HR][/HR] [/TD] [/TR] [/TABLE] As stated before, the freezing point of water is the freezing point of water. The assignment of arbitrary numbers on a scale created by and through the mind of man makes the resulting readings on that scale arbitrary, therefore, because the scale is a product of the mind of man it is subjective. Quote: [TABLE] [TR] [TD="class: alt2"] [HR][/HR] Originally Posted by incorporeal Have you read the definitions that were posted toward the beginning of this thread? If not, you might want to give it a try. If you have, then you might want to take a remedial course in reading comprehension. Life is a matter of convenience for me. [HR][/HR] [/TD] [/TR] [/TABLE] Quote: [TABLE] [TR] [TD="class: alt2"] [HR][/HR] Originally Posted by Creation Yes, Ive read them. So lets be even clearer where in the definition of fact does it let facts be facts to anyone else as long as one person beleives it? See this UFO? Ive seen one yesterday in the sky. I now believe in them, does that mean UFOs are a real thing in the universe because I told you I seen one and now believe in their existence? [HR][/HR] [/TD] [/TR] [/TABLE] [HR][/HR] [/TD] [/TR] [/TABLE] If you had read the entirety of the definitions, then you would realize that the very first definition allows for such a notion as you have stated. As for your perceiving a UFO, Well: Are you a 'real thing' in the universe? If you are a real thing in the universe and you have seen a UFO, then who am I to argue with you? Am I to call you a liar because I did not likewise perceive the UFO? All I would be able to do is perhaps question you in regard to the event. Thread started at Forum 4 Politics on 04-14-2012 06:59 AM
