What is the future of the Republican Party?

Trump didn't get anywhere, did he? His dumb rally gave you the January 6 Committee which gave your side something to harp on for months.

The bans that I mentioned ARE getting somewhere however, and some of them are dumber than a bag of hammers. Some of the extremists in the Democrat Party think that we can go back to the carbon emissions that existed in 1865. Yea, in some Democrat's dime novel, set in 1865, when there were far fewer people in the world, and most them lived like pigs.

 

147 Republican elected officials didn’t vote to Elect the President who was elected by 81 million American citizen. That is more then 55% elected GOP members in congress in 2020, who thought overturning legitimate Election result. So hiding behind “ only few people was attacking on J6” doesn’t hold water.

 

Outside of "America First" populism, you are correct, and yes, most "professionally Republican" are older white males. However, "America First" populism is people of all races, backgrounds, creeds.

A made-up number. You'd be surprised at how many younger people support conservatism in the form of "America First" populism.

The Republican Party will die without fully embracing "America First" populism.

While that's all true with regard to the "professionally Republican", that's not at all true with regard to the "America First" populism movement that Trump is spearheading.

 

“America first” populism apparently not that popular. Trump lost Popular vote twice.

By the way Trump’s “America First” Is not something Trump invented and it not only belongs to Trump and Trump supporter.

Every American, regardless of their political ideology, race , color, ethnicity loves America and put America First, we just don’t wrap ourselves with American flag and chant “ America first , America First”

 

"The future of Republican Party' has arrived.

Remember when Trump said that he knows something personal about DeSantis that only his wife may know?
Well Ole' toad head Mario Cart pubic hair Yeti obviously spread the word.

'So There’s a Trump-DeSantis Dick and Balls Fight Going On Right Now'
By Caleb Howe
Jun 16th, 2023, 12:31 pm

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'Just days after it was reported that Donald Trump was planning to touch on Gov. Ron DeSantis’s penis soon, one of the ex-president’s surrogates said to NBC News that the governor needs “a set of balls.” And the DeSantis campaign replied about the “perverted” nature of the Trump camp’s “obsession.”

To be clear, this is all part of a primary race to determine which Republican will receive the party’s nomination to be leader of the free world.

The dick fight (Note: you can read “dick” with either slang meaning and it still works here) started with a Rolling Stone article just over a week ago, in which it was reported that Trump’s campaign is, as Mediaite’s Sarah Rumpf put it, “scheming ways to sink to even lower and stupider depths as the GOP presidential primary battle heats up — by mocking the size of Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis’ manhood.”

The details are worse than you think.

On Friday, NBC News published an article with Round Two inside it, which Axios reporter Alex Thompson highlighted on Twitter.

DeSantis super PAC head and former state chair of the Trump campaign in Nevada Adam Laxalt was quoted, ahead of a political event this weekend which will host several Republican candidates, saying that “I was a two-time Trump chair. I don’t see a path for him to win Nevada in a general election. Those voters are not coming back.”

NBC’s Natasha Korecki and Henry J. Gomez got a response from current senior adviser to the Trump campaign Chris LaCivita: “Not surprised Ron DeSantis is looking for a set of balls.”

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https://www.mediaite.com/politics/s...ntis-dick-and-balls-fight-going-on-right-now/

 

Winning, Charlie Sheen Style.

 

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'In the article eight days ago that got the latest surge of dick talk going, Rolling Stone pointed out that Trump has been shopping salacious rumors about DeSantis since last year.

As Rolling Stone reported in November, Trump had spent months privately soliciting and regurgitating various bits of salacious “gossip about DeSantis, including unverified allegations about his private life.” At the time, Rolling Stone declined to publish exactly what the former president had been spreading to close advisers and longtime associates. However, one of the uncorroborated or baseless rumors that Trump was gossiping about was, in fact, about DeSantis supposedly being gay, two people familiar with the matter say.

Trump used similar tactics against Florida Sen. Marco Rubio during the 2016 primary, and Rubio famously clapped back on stage at a Republican debate with a remark about Trump’s small hands. So, you know, things are going great still.

That’s about the size of it at the moment. If things develop we’ll enlarge the article.' lol


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https://www.mediaite.com/politics/s...ntis-dick-and-balls-fight-going-on-right-now/

 

The center-right in the US tends to scrap its organization every few years (or generations) and then create something new. Thus: Federalists -> Whigs -> Free-Soilers -> Republicans -> ?

The center-left tends to evolve under the same label. Thus we have the Democratic party which once celebrated slavery and now commands the allegiance of most Black voters.

I expect the Republican party I once knew to disappear, to be replaced by another organization.

 

didn't copy.paste

 

Does anyone know how to get this Trump video posted if it doesn't appear?
One of his stupidest yet.


Donald J. Trump

@realDonaldTrump

Sometimes you have to put them in their place!



Jun 22, 2023, 11:53 AM



https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrump

 

If the Republicans can get rid of Donald Trump once and for all, there is a good chance that Republican party can survive. When Trump was President, He had the Republicans under his spell. If any Republican went against Trump, Trump could expose and ruin them if he wanted. The Republicans had to be loyal to Trump whether they wanted to or not and that is a fact.

 

Sadly for Republicans they now deserve everything Trump has done and may do to the party and individual politicians going forward.
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Perhaps. I’ll say this, I don’t care about the future of the Republican Party or of the Democratic Party for that matter. Both could bit the dust as far as I’m concerned. But the future, election wise, now elections interest me.


The immediate future doesn’t look too glum for the GOP though. I’m talking about 2024. If there is another rematch of Trump vs. Biden, it’s a 50-50 shot today with Trump having but a single point lead in the polls today. Senate wise, the GOP looks like it could gain 3 seats in 2024, West Virginia, Ohio and Montana giving them control of the senate. Control of the house is another pure tossup, both parties have today 23 seats in the at risk of switching column. Could go either way. This is as of today, so these numbers probably don’t mean much when we talk 16 months from now. But the immediate future is all gloom and doom for the GOP.


Then too the republicans have made inroads into both the black and Hispanic vote. The black vote, from 4% in 2008, to 6% in 2012, to 8% in 2016 to 12% in 2020 13% in the 2022 midterms. Small and slow gains, but better than nothing. Hispanic vote 27% in 2012 to 28% in 2016 to 32% in 2022 to 39% in the 2022 midterms. Party affiliation has remained fairly even since 2008 28% Republican 33% Democratic, 2012 27% Republican 32% Democratic, 2016 27% Republican 30% Democratic, 2020 30% Republican 31% Democratic, 2022 midterm, 30% Republican, 30% Democratic.


Now when it comes to elections, it’s independents, the non-affiliated, the less to non-partisans that will decide who wins or loses. Not their party’s base. Independents have made up roughly 40% of the electorate since 2008.

 

You are right , Senate will be tough for Democrat in 2024 and House will be toss-up.

I also agree poll 16 months before election mean nothing.

Hispanic vote – you are right since 2012 many Hispanic moved back to GOP, but that is still down from 2004 when Bush W got 41% Hispanic vote. That was the first and last time GOP received 40+ Hispanic vote in last 50 years. In another word , GOP brought back some of the Hispanic voter. But the Hispanic voter GOP brought backs are not Latinos of Mexican-American or Portico-American but Cuban-American who was always conservative but drifted away past 10-12 years.

African-American – jumping from 4% to 12%. Very insignificant but still a gain Lets see how that works out next 2-3 election.

Independent- Yes independent are gaining momentum but just because Americans are registering as independent don’t mean they are ideologically independent. A 22 years old collage man who believes in Climate Change and passionate about renewable energy, he is not going to vote for a candidate who doesn’t even acknowledge “climate change is real”, a female in her 20s who believes in “pro-choice” will not vote for “six-week ban” Ron Descants just because she is a Registered Independent.

Age 18-44 – this is the group which will shape up American politics for next 50 years. This group is more diverse, more educated and open to liberal view. They are pro-choice, passionate about climate change, support much restrictive gun control, they are opposition to all the “social conservatism” Evangelical conservative wants in America. These group wants more open immigration policy. In another word, this group oppose heart of Conservative America. But most of them are registered Independent. They don't care DEMS or GOP, they are policy voter. and what it looks like GOP has nothing to offer them.

 

G.W. Bush had the advantage of speaking Spanish and ran many of his political ads in Spanish with G.W. doing the talking. You’re correct however, if one goes from 2008, the portion of the Hispanic vote is still way down. Here’s the Hispanic vote from 1980-2012 if you’d like to compare.


https://www.pewresearch.org/hispanic/2012/11/07/latino-voters-in-the-2012-election/


Yes, the black vote from 5-12 seems insignificant. But it’s an improvement, nonetheless. The last Republican presidential candidate who received more than 12% was Gerald Ford in 1976 at 15%. Nixon at 32% in 1960 and Eisenhower at 37% in 1956 are the highs since FDR and the great depression. FDR changed the whole ballgame as far as the black vote is concerned. Here’s the stats on the black vote from FDR until 2016.


https://blackdemographics.com/culture/black-politics/


I don’t go by how folks register to vote. I go by Pew Research and Gallup who let the voter tell them whether they are a republican, democrat or an independent. It’s self-identification, not by registration. Many states don’t have party registration. Here in Georgia, we just register to vote. In other words, it’s how people view themselves, not how they are registered which I think is a more accurate measure. One thing is for sure, party affiliation whether one goes by Pew Research or Gallup or both, party affiliation is very dynamic and is constantly changing.


https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/interactives/party-id-trend/


https://news.gallup.com/poll/15370/party-affiliation.aspx

 

I hope you realize these "happy blue people" are employed in a country financing it's job base with debt. The grip of fiscal reality is only beginning to be felt, as federal prime interest rises to the more realistic 3 - 4%.
Total personal debt in the US is 24 trillion, which creates cash flow for the economy as long as people have jobs.
There is no guarantee that the economy will continue cover our debts as inflation grows faster than wages.
The "blue people" are not emotionally prepared for the changes that are coming. Information is too complicated for an iPhone screen.

 

I see you still have faith in “polling”. I don’t. I am not saying polling is worthless ( yet) but since 2004 polling accuracy has been declining.

I agree with you, more American identify themselves as Independent. They might register as republican or Democrat but in their heart they are not loyal to any party but to issue and the country. This is actually good. Party loyalty is what got us this partisan environment , we really need to give up the loyalty to the party and focus on the country.

But even if someone claim to be independent when it comes to issues there is no middle ground.

GOP thinks climate change is not real , DEMS thinks within 50 years the world will come to an end.

GOP wants to ban abortion after 6 weeks , DEMS want abortion On-Demand.

GOP wants to kick out 16 million undocumented immigrant, DEMS want to give those 16 Million undocumented immigrant Citizenship.

And majority Americans under the age of 44 align with liberal views on these core issue. Even they identify as independent, they will vote for Democrat.

 

Actually the history show exactly opposite of what you are suggesting.

After the 2008 recession, Blue districted recover faster and better then Red district.

 

Things have changed considerably since 2008. Our population is larger, our gross productivity is lower, and we had more of our core industries here. Multinationalism had not taken hold yet because the supply chain had not caught up.
I see yesterdays republicans as concentrating on monetary and industry, democrats the social support system and the working stiff.
Todays republicans are the working stiff, while democrats take their share for granted because with Big Tech money, they only need their votes, not their money. That will quickly turn into electoral quicksand.

 

So you have no data to provide just your opinion.

 

My opinions are based on data I understand.

 

We’ll see. Parties adjust over time. I’ve been around to see the Goldwater debacle back in 1964. Not only did Barry lose 61-39 to LBJ, the democrats obtained a 295-140 advantage in the house and a 68-32 advantage in the Senate. It was said it would take the Republicans 20 years to recover. Yet in 1968 Nixon won the presidency, the republicans had narrowed this disadvantage in the house to 243-192, a gain of 52 seats. The democrat’s senate advantage had been cut by 10, 58-42. The same was said after Watergate, the democrats shot up to a 291-144 advantage in the house and a 63-38 senate advantage. Carter won the presidency in 1976. Again, gloom and doom for the GOP. But come 1980 Reagan swamped Carter, the Republicans gained control of the senate for the first time since 1954 and Democratic advantage in the house lowered to 242-193.


Then during Reagan, many books were written about the Republican lock on the presidency. That it would be 20 years before another Democrat won the presidency. Then came Bill Clinton in 1992. End of the Republican lock. The bottom line here is parties adjust. It took an unconventional combination of two southerners on the ticket in 1992 going against conventional wisdom to end the GOP lock which was a fantasy to begin with.


If you look at college grads, they were a Republican staple until 2008, then they became a Democratic one. Same for non and High School grads. Strictly democratic until Trump. The once solid Democratic south have become more or less solid Republican, the old Republican Northeast is now a Democratic stronghold.


I’ve been hearing that the changing demographics would make the Democrats a permanent major party ever since I was a kid. If anything, the two parties have become more competitive than ever. I never dreamed the Republicans would ever control the house of representatives. Then bang, 1994 happened ending a 40-year drought and 58 out of 62 years of democratic control. When I grew up, 75-80% of the people identified with one or the other major parties. Today, that’s down to between 55-60%. I think when the GOP realizes being the party of Trump and MAGA is an election loser, they’ll adjust, change as they always have. They should have realized that already, they’re kind of dumb there. They lost in 2018 and 2020 big being the party of Trump. In 2022, Trump’s chosen candidates lost an election in which a red wave should have occurred turning it into a red trickle. Or one might call 2022 a blue trickle since the Democrats gained a senate seat and 2 governorships while limiting their house loses to 9 seats.


Independents are still very much in flux, they’re more candidate orientated. Not party. They went for Trump in 2016 by 4 points, to Democratic congressional candidates by 12 points in 2018, to Biden by 13 points in 2020 and once again to democratic congressional candidates in 2022 by 2 points. If the polls are correct this far out, they’re evenly split between Trump and Biden. That’s not good for Biden considering he won them by 13 points in 2020. What may be worse is 64% of independents don’t want Biden to run again. Although 59% don’t want Trump to run again either. Talk about both major parties turning a deaf ear to most Americans wants, wishes or in this case, don’t wants.

 

I wonder if those enforced brownouts in California affect rich neighborhoods.

 

Everything you said about American moving one party to another is accurate and you have history to back it up.

But the question is , will GOP change it’s ideology? If 10 years from now GOP still think “ climate change is hoax” , I can’t see today’s youth who believe in climate change will vote for them because they are 10 years older. If in 2028 or 2032 GOP still think Six week abortion ban is good idea, I don’t see female voters who are in 20s or 30s or even in 40s will vote them because it’s time to support the other side.

Ron DeSantis “ War against WOKE” might be very attractive to GOP base voter but I don’t think majority American care about those today or 15 years ago. Mike Pence total abortion ban may be “ music to the ears” to evangelical voter but majority American want abortion to be legal in America. I hardly doubt time will change Americans view about Abortion.

But , if GOP change it’s view became more moderate then Social conservative or MAGA conservatism, then many will go back to Republican party or at least vote Republican.

 

May be share some of the date with us so we understand.