What?? Is Trump guilty until proven innocent?

I hear people, pundits all, constantly echoing the rather hollow misconception that under the terms of America's Constitution, a person is presumed innocent unless and until they are proven guilty. But that is plainly erroneous! When someone is indicted, charged, booked -- then it means that the government considers them to be guilty. The presumption of innocence applies only to the administering of a punishment upon the accused! Defendants have to be proven guilty, via due process, before the government can impose a penal sentence. There is no 'presumption' of innocence overall. It's just that they can't be punished without proof. Get it right and be clear about this folks.

 

Exactly inside out an upside down

 

Yes. Trial by media has always been stupid, and trial by social media even moreso.

 

Even the DOJ says that defendants are innocent until proven guilty.

Jackoff Smith himself says it...

"In the meantime, I must emphasize that the indictment is only an allegation and that the defendant must be presumed innocent until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt in a court of law."

https://www.justice.gov/sco-smith/s...ext=In the meantime, I must,in a court of law.

 

Nope... that is not true at all.... innocent until proven guilty in a court of law....not by the government.... your post is painfully flawed...

 

whatever

 

Except that many on this forum have claimed Trump, Joe Biden and Hunter Biden are criminals. As such, many have assumed guilty until proven innocent, since none have been convicted of any crime yet. Just sayin…¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

Maybe you should ask that question about Biden as well who constantly say on this forum that Biden is guilty of the allegations even though no indictment has been issued, not even a criminal referral or voting on impeachment articles.

that being said, the court of public opinion is not the same as a court of law. Under the court of law, a person is innocent until proven guilty. That is the very essence of our judicial system. The court of public opinion does not follow that rule, never, and some people will have already made up their minds on whether a person is innoncent or guilty no matter what evidence is presented in the indictment.

 

sure

 

"no indictment has been issued" = no DOJ investigation into the "reasonable suspicion" that has been uncovered... Why?

Nancy Mace nails it on the head... she says just that....
""The DOJ needs to get off its ass and investigate... we've done the work for them so they can not screw it up now""

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/LmD-BH_Qt0Q
https://rumble.com/v2n1vsa-rep.-nancy-mace-doj-needs-to-get-off-its-ass-and-investigate.html

 

In the Justice system they’re presumed innocent but in our political media infrastructure and social media—our virtual town square—it’s a different story. They’ve long since figured out we’re an emotional rather than rational lot. Thank goodness we’re generally self absorbed and lazy too.

 

I figure Joe Biden is straight-up honest. I figure Hunter Biden is perhaps guilty of the most trivial of transgressions: failure to pay all the taxes he owed and buying a gun while being a cocaine user. I don't believe that Hunter did anything wrong vis-à-vis Ukraine, but instead was merely plying the trade (lawyering/brokering) that he was trained to do. GOP's obsession with "the Biden crime family" is merely indicative of their deep deep desperations. The right is truly scraping the bottom of the barrel. Trump's recent claim that "Joe Biden is the most corrupt president in the history of our nation" is purely non-sequitur diatribe. You turds are so pathetic when exposed for the filthy cads you are. Note my signature.

 

Trump has already been tried and found guilty -- in the media and by the democrats.

 

Duh! Of course. Who is saying anything different?

Be specific in your answer. Don't just say Democrats. Which Democrats and what did they say?

 

He is seen as guilty because he readily admits his guilt. He is damn proud that he led an insurrection against democracy. He proudly admits to illegally overriding Congress' grant of aid to Ukraine pending their contributing to his personal ambitions. He openly boasts that if reelected he'll do things much the same. He claims that our revered US Constitution should be vitiated in favor of his autocratic rule. He ignores all law, including the emoluments clause, the Hatch Act and much more. He took the sword that the Saudis gave him and illegally claimed it as his own. He also stole a collection of Israeli antiquities which was lent to the Whitehouse for purposes of display. He took that collection to Mar-a-Lago. He stinks to high heaven. His sins are heaped as high as the Moon. No greater dirtbag on Earth, I dare say.

 

I think you're alluding to the thread title. It was tongue-in-cheek, a tease. I just feel that the blithe uniquitous use of the phrase "presumption of innocence" gets annoying. But in retrospect, perhaps mine is a niggling and moot issue.

 

Fake News. We are presumed innocent until unanimously proven guilty, beyond a reasonable doubt and to a moral certainty, of an actual crime, not a legal behavior that a corrupt prosecutor pretends is a crime.


She's coordinating with Lying Jack the Fraidy Cat.

 

What is it that GOP stands for? Gerrymandering Odious Party?

 

Dems gerrymander more than the GOP does. That's why even though they lost the last election by 3 million votes, they still managed to net a higher percentage of seats than their percentage of the vote.

 

I figure you and reality are not on very good terms/

 

I am aware of this allegation. Naturally, I am loathe to buy into it. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

Figure as you will

 

By the way Dems worship Government Republican by AR 15 to defend the right of all to worship something other than government

 

Such vehemence! My my.

 

Show us the DOJ investigation into what Joe Biden knew and when did he know it about the shady deals of his son. Joe Biden
Here is their searchable website of investigations... please show us the Joe Biden investigations..
https://vault.fbi.gov/

Joe Biden literally knowingly participated in a failed coup, along with Obama, in an insurrection to overthrow our government and a duly elected president...

The President, Vice President and all civil Officers of the United States, shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors.

Show us the DOJ investigation into the treasonous act of trying to overthrow our government by Joe Biden and Obama in a failed coup attempt on a duly elected president in a failed insurrection.... Durham just uncovered was has been known for years.... without DOJ investigations ever happening...

Where is the DOJ investigations into Obama, Biden, Hillary and all the people in the intel that played along... the Durham uncovered it again after years of it already being public?

https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/23813493/durham3.pdf