What is Trump's Healthcare Plan???

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  1. ButterBalls

    ButterBalls Well-Known Member

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    Did his statement contain the the word anal and suggest that a UV light be shoved up it's cavity? Just trying to find out where the the real nonsense can be found! So if you would, link that suggestion for us all to read, if you would good Sir!

     
  2. Lil Mike

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    The joke was your comment that Obamacare was a right wing plan (something I never heard until the plan was actually implemented and started failing). I'm just playing along with your joke.

    Ha Ha?
     
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    No. It contained the words "some other way". The rest he left to everybody's imagination.

    This is what he actually said

     
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    Ahh so those are your fictitious additions, riiight ;)
     
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    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    You should be less concerned with anal cavities, and more about the part where your candidate talks about "herd mentality". The guy is losing it in front of your eyes. Not good for somebody who has access to the nuclear codes, you know. Add that to his many many mental issues. He makes Biden look like a 30 year old by comparison.
     
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    Virtue signaling is so pre-Covid19.
     
  7. ButterBalls

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    As for myself, I strive to be more honesty and accurate in my quoting of people I like and those I dislike! Not like it matters how others view me but a personal issue. And when I shave in the morning I like what I see even with a stubble ;)
     
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    I give it as much credibility as your claim of being a scientist.Try selling it to someone else.

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    McCain did a thumbs down precisely because there was only a repeal, but there was NO replace.

    None. Promise is not a replace.
     
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    The Naval hospital is par none.
     
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    incompetent rebuttal--Strawman argument.
     
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    Private mail services have been tried, and failed. in the 70s, a nationwide service called 'Sunday Mail' was tried, and flopped. Reason? Can't deliver to rural areas affordably.

    My medicare works beautifully.

    The Naval hospital is par none.

    Schools are fine, UC system in CA is par none, many drugs are funded with government grants, so the University/Grant system is very good.

    • University of California, Los Angeles. ...
    • University of Michigan-Ann Arbor. ...
    • University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill. ...
    • University of California, Berkeley. ...
    • University of California, Davis.
    All good, and 'government' run.

    Government does a lot of things, such as the department of Agriculture, the national weather service, and on and on

    Such as,

    National Fish and Wildlife Foundation,

    Pension Benefit Guaranty Corporation

    National Park Foundation,

    Corporation for Public Broadcasting

    And there are about 50 others, and the point is, society is far more complex than the simpleton minds of libertarians.can ever fathom.

    "There are more things in heaven and Earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy" --- Hamlet ( Shakespeare )

    This is probably why the Libertarian party has no caucus, no power in legislatures across the land, to speak of.
     
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    Okay, I downloaded the thing and went through it.

    Half of it just says medicare and ACA is bad. There reasoning is flawed, and some of the things that are bad because the repubs undermined the ACA, and now they are blaming the ACA for it, and other issues can be fixed legislatively.

    now then, the half that was their actual 'plan' is what, a couple of dozen pages?

    It seemed rather anemic.

    Why should we do it? Health Care savings accounts? I don't think so.

    my medicare works beautifully, and I only pay $132 per month.

    If you kill the ACA, this 'plan' is not going to fly in congress, and so we won't have a replacement.

    this is what has not been calculated for. When you kill it, there isn't really a replacement, it's just a promise and hopefully both houses will work it out. That could take at least a year.

    So , what will replace the ACA while we are waiting for congress and the senate to get it together?


    There really is only one way to get a health plan together, and that is when one party countries the senate, the house, and the presidency, because there is no way in hell
    democrats and republicans will agree on anything. when it comes to health care. Dems will want more for the people, repubs will want less.

    Right now, most people want democrats, so I say we go with democrats on health care.
     
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    I'm aware of all those things. The ones that are competent are inefficient and expsnsive. My problem is that federal government has no competition to motivate itself to be more efficient like the states. The founders had a vision of a union of states with a federal government there to handle the things that it alone can do. I think they had it right and what I see is a serious corruption of the process. I don't think any of the agencies you mention, as example have any business involved in those things. The universities you mention aren't federal government. We just have opposing views on the subject. Yours is the popular one. Mine is in a tiny minority. It is what it is.
     
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    Glad to hear it.
     
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    This is false.

    The Republican party has never presented a plan for health care reform. They have a grab bag of slogans, which they pass off as a plan.
     
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    If the SC takes up the ACA case as scheduled it means even if Roberts sides with the liberals a tie would result in the lower court ruling being sustained and the ACA is over turned. Chaos will ensue as the Repubs have no comprehensive replacement.
     
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    You do know that the government wouldn't be 'running' healthcare, right? The first step is for them to become one big customer, capable of 'buying power'. Then hiring consulting specialists who would 'run' the programs.
     
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    That is naive. Some would say insurance companies run the health care industry. Some would even say lawyers do. Government runs the Medicare system without providing direct medical intervention and it bleeds money like a waterfall.
     
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    They have had multiple plans. Just because you dont like them or have a short memory doesnt mean they dont exist. Not only presented but passed the house.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Health_Care_Act_of_2017
     
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    That's at least you've trolled me with so let me try to sell this.. I do not remember the context in which I said I'm a scientist.. I am guessing it was either in defense of my Christianity or on a covid thread.. no matter.. I am a scientist n the context that I continuously study the latest hypothesis, among other things.. and considering the way "scientist" is used these days, I figure I qualify. I study anthropology, physics, machinery, geology as it pertains to the human era, politics, history etc.. etc.. and I am always expanding my knowledge in those areas..AND I consider myself an expert in building and maintaining adobe structures.
    I might point out too, that it is a logical fallacy to assume that because a person might be incorrect in one area that they automatically are in other areas.. otherwise you are just calling me a liar.. which I recall in my study of the rules herein.. is a violation of said rules.
     
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    What ever we have now.. and yes, the Republican elite did not cooperate with our President at all.. is much better than ObamaCare.. getting rid of the mandate was the first thing the President did.. unilaterally; that improved my situation.. and apparently the health insurance market as become competitive again.. and he also gave Veterans the option of using their own doctors..

    If he gets nothing else done.. it is still a hugely improved over the democrat plan. .. which was engineered to fail so they could get government health care in it's place.
     
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    That doesn't qualify you as a "scientist".
    Using the term"extraspecies evolution" was the clincher.Stick to playing with adobe, science is not your forte.
     
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    All you are doing is parroting a right wing talking point bluff, which when examined within in the link does NOT stand up to scrutiny. Check the bibliography within, if you dare.

    Check the links within. But to avoid smoke blowing and dodges on your part: https://www.salon.com/2020/09/16/ka...are-plan--but-the-details-are-secret_partner/
     
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    Of course the insurance industry runs the healthcare industry...in the US. They are the ones collecting and putting out the money - that's the one that ALWAYS runs the game. Apparently you're good with that - you are happy about a corporation only interested in their own bottom line, but don't want the group that you elected to be responsible for any of the decisions.
     

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