What is your personal religious ideology

I never really understood deism. If God created the earth and then just moved on to other things and has no further interest here then what’s the point of making that belief institutional.

 

Most deists believe that God created nature and nature. Earth is not special humans are not special. basically got caught the big bang and then left the universe to its own devices.

 

I can't really disagree with most of your observations...
my only concern is with the last one.
You say..."Humans are not inherently good and so we should not have an internal monologue telling us right from wrong."
But you also say..."I also believe that conscience is God speaking to us telling us right from wrong."

Are you saying there are two separate voices speaking to you?

 

Yes, you've put your finger on a dicey point. If Daggdag is saying that one should trust an inner sense that one identifies as conscience, but not trust oneself to either sniff around those blooms of conscience or examine, thoughtfully, the rectitude of anything else in life where, "conscience," has not taken root of its own volition, there is the danger of mistaking ideas that have been PROGRAMMED into one's Superego, from various outside sources, for the voice of God-- don't get me wrong, I'm a believer in following divine inspiration; but just as humans are not inherently good, nor are we naturally infallible.

 

Yes...which voice is which

 

cause it's a belief, one I have more respect for then those that make up silly rules that would make their God mad, so they have to stone them or whatever

 

which could be possible, maybe what we see as god is just a natural process

some say we could create a universe in a lab... so then would we be the gods of that universe

 

No I am saying that since humans have the capacity of both good and evil and we are not inherently good we should not have a natural internal voice coming from ourselves and that conscience is God speaking to us they are one in the same.

 

Yes agree...I was hoping he might respond to your post.

 

Well he did respond to YOUR post, & I think his argument is that, BECAUSE man is not inherently good, any good impulses or directions from an inner voice must, necessarily, be coming from elsewhere which, to Daggdag, can only be from God. I would have to quibble w/ that reasoning because, right off the bat, not being inherently good is NOT AT ALL the same thing as being inherently bad, and does not, therefore, preclude the possibility that a good impulse could come from w/in ourselves.

 

Yes sounds logical enough...
Would you consider removing any reference to good or bad from those ideas...
and observe from that perspective?

 

maybe God is a Lab tech in another Universe

"PHYSICISTS IN JAPAN PLAN TO CREATE NEW UNIVERSE IN LAB"

https://www.casavaria.com/sentido/science/2006/06-0802-new-universe.htm

and new God's are born

 

Yes, I noticed the arbitrary & simplistic sound of those prejudicial words as I typed them but I was just trying to interpret for you what I thought Daggdag was saying. I'm not ready, at the moment, to delve into those depths (I'm off to bed); besides I could've got him wrong. Let's at least give him a chance to speak for himself.

 

Why would humans not be inherently 'good'?

 

Because we have the capacity for both good and evil. This means that our nature is based on choice, not inborn characteristics.

More than that, humans are animals. Survivor is our primary concern. Humans are quick to committ acts that are considered evil if they think it will help them survive.

 

While our nature is based on choice, only in the lack of something material to survival does the capacity for 'evil' become a complication and even then, it is not evil. Evil requires there to be other choices, and the individual chooses not only what benefits them, but intentionally harms others.

Humans have evolved above the base animal instinct. There are inborn instincts in all creatures, great and small, and the majority of those instincts do not include harming others, or by a limited spectrum, the meter leans more to the 'good' side, then it does 'evil'.

 

From your beliefs, I'm guessing you're not a Pagan. I'm just curious, if you don't mind-- did you choose the name Daggdag unaware, & for completely different reasons than, that The Dagda is a principal god in the ancient Irish Celtic tradition?

 

Okay...I'll try to watch your conversation with Daggdag to see where you're going

 

Humans are still animals by nature. And when survival is key, humans will typically put that above anything else.

Cannibalism is considered evil, but most people would kill and key another person if they knew they would starve to death if they would not. History is filled with examples of this.

 

You use the word evil inappropriately, IMO.

Doing what is necessary to survive is not 'bad', it's innate. Evil is when you do something that is not necessary, and with the intent to harm others. A number of notable events of cannibalism, people had already died from the event or exposure. They were a last resort. That doesn't make anyone 'evil'.

We've side tracked. You put forth that humans are basically 'bad', and requires to be good because they are told to be by a higher power. You haven't supported that statement. My belief is that humans are innately good, and become bad under a variety of influences.

 

A minister who worked for me part time once told me I am a naturalist, whatever that is.

 

If I am understanding your statement correctly...either you are stating that two voices are coming from God....or if there is a second voice it should not be there
because it is not good.

 

No, I am saying that conscience, imo, can not come from within the human mind because humans are not inheritlt good.

I believe that conscience comes from God.

 

Thanks much for clarification. My next question: if there are two groups...say group A and group B...
...group A claims "this" is good....and group B claims no, "this" is bad.

How do you know which one (or if either one) is hearing their conscience (god) or their human mind (not inherently good)?

 

Good and bad have two separate meanings. There is objective morality, where a person or group considers something immoral.

Then there is universal morality, where something is considered universally or near- universally immoral.