What it means to be "Pro-life".?

There is no difference between Right and wrong.

 

Using 2008 statistics-

1.21 million abortions

89,000 rapes

Equals roughly 13%.

In order to account for 10%, minus the supposition of 1% for incest, would mean that 8 of ever 10 rapes results in pregnancy, a statistical anomaly of assbaggery proportions. The best known data indicates that 5% or less of rapes result in fertilization.

Therefore, we can safely extrapolate by using the data, that a rough number of 4,450 abortions can be attributed to rape.

So even using the max rate of 5% of 89,000 rapes resulting in pregnancy, abortions due to rape are not "a little less than 1 in 10", they are a little less than 1 in 100.

And even that is a stretch.

Planned Parenthood is in the business to abort babies. They are lying scum.

 

The Texas bill that bans abortion after 5 months has been condemned by the Left for weeks now. It takes into consideration the life of the mother and the condition of the fetus, still the Left was dead set against it. Why? Outside of those two conditions, what reason could a woman have to abort it ?

 

Wow, impressive. You only got three sentences in before resorting to a straw man. This is why it's difficult to reason with pro-abortionists. They can't argue their points without straw men. Just as you've done here.

 

Would you be for or against sterilizing the man who was the other half of these unwanted pregnancies? I think that's fair..don't you? I'll bet men would be a lot more responsible about creating unwanted pregnancies if that were the case. Instead of blaming the woman who has to carry it to term while the penis carrying man goes free, how about they share the unwanted pregnancy equally, and BOTH pay the price for their mistake?


Woman's penalty for an unwanted pregnancy. Carry it to term and tough nuts for getting pregnant.

Man's penalty. Get sterilized and give up the right to ever have the opportunity to create another unwanted pregnancy. Shoulda thought about what you did and the ramifications before you did it.

Works for me! Under these conditions, I would share your "never be allowed to abort" attitude. How about you?

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So, should there be an exception for rape, or not?

 

I don't have an opinion on that. I can see both sides.

My point is PP is a lying sack of garbage and they WANT more abortion, not less.

 

How can you not have an opinion on that? That's a bit of a cop out.

 

It's not. There are two strong arguments when it comes to rape and abortion. Unlike consensual sex where both participants are aware of the risks and fully engage in knowing the risks, a rape does not include the same "bargain", and I can see the argument that forcing a woman to carry a baby conceived from a rape to be an onerous infringement upon her mental health. On the other hand, you have a baby who through no fault of its own is the result of a woman having been assaulted. Still, the baby remains innocent.

I'm conflicted, not coping out.

 

Fair enough. I stand corrected.

Then, in non rape cases, where the woman has the choice, would you support sterilization of the offending male if the woman is forced to carry her pregnancy to term?

 

As I understand it, ProLifers believe that a person comes into existence at the instant of conception in the form of a microscopic zygote. Presumably, they would view this insentient entity through a microscope and label it a "person" -

A greatly magnified "Person":




Others do not share this extreme view.

They believe that a "person" develops over the course of gestation, "personhood" being achieved with the development of sentience and viability (24-26 weeks)

Both are entitled to believe what they believe and treat their own pregnancies according to their respective beliefs.

If the extremists wish to convince others of their belief, they are entirely free to try - just as those who accept the gestative significance are at liberty to attempt to convince the extremists of their understanding.

Failing in that endeavour, no one should be permitted to resort to the coercive power of the State to impose their belief upon those who do not share it.

 

Proof?

Thought not.....................

And if a woman does ask for an abortion because it was rape are you going to insist that there be a full police investigation and trial before you grant her leave to have an abortion?

 

Rubbish!! They are one of the few organisations in America actively intervening to reduce the abortion rate

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Let us take that one step further and look at the total health of the woman. What criteria would you place for abortion for health and who decides?

 

They make the bulk of their profit from abortion. That would not be in their own best interest. You don't honestly believe they are going to consciously do anything to hurt their bottom line, do you? They're a business.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planned_Parenthood

Got a source that says something different??

 

again, not anything I just did, but something you did and which now you're trying to accuse me of because I pointed out your hypocrisy. That's shallow and pathetic for you to do.

 

Sure do.

 

Also interesting....

 

"Hey, Abortions are wrong, but if there are 30 kids surrounding one terrorist, send the drones!"

-The "Christian" "Right"

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The abortion debate is almost as dumb as the Gay marriage one. If you don't like abortions, don't have one, and stop acting as if you value human life. Nobody cares about human life. Turn on the news.

 

For conservatives to win, they have to mislead about everything. At least it seems that way.

Maybe we SHOULD post the Ten Commandments everywhere so Republicans could be reminded about the one against bearing false witness.

 

Please note that embeded in that statistic are cases where the Mother's life and health are threatened. Abortion in those case at least count as self defense.

 

Your failure to either recognize or understand the truth is the problem Jeff. That along with your willingness to lie to yourself.

 

Any procedure used specifically to save the mother without the intent to abort the baby is acceptable to even the strictest pro-lifers. What is wrong is the intentional killing of the innocent baby. Doubly so if the baby is viable if removed surgically but also if it is viable if left alone for nature to take its course.

 

The proof is in the pudding. Smart people can see that conservatives have been wrong about everything: Reaganomics, which we are still practicing, gold, privatized prisons, smoking ...

 

So much bull(*)(*)(*)(*) so little time. Privatizing Prisons has occured under democrat regimes as much as republicans, Reaganomics were great back when the regualtory burden on the economy was less than 1/2 of what it currently is. The problem now isn't so much tax rates as the tax code and other regulations themselves. Gold is a small segment of the Libertarian party not Republicans by and large. Smoking??? Please tell me where you dredged that one up at? Again that is a Libertarian Issue more than a Republican one.

 

Privatization is Republican - anyone who suggests otherwise is lying. Smoking has long been promoted as safe by Libertarians, Rush Limbaugh, etc. Gold advertising supports all Republican radio talk shows and is a big part of conservative beliefs. All current economic problems in America are related to Reaganomics. No smart person gives conservatives credit for much of anything that's good in America. You are repeating the Republican BS that only benefits the super-rich. What's your motivation?