What I've been saying: Covid-19 much more dangerous than initial death toll suggests

You are arguing against things I’ve never claimed. My claim had nothing to do with mortality rates. Only the fact that re-admissions for C19 are so normal as to have no newsworthiness. Why is that upsetting? I provided evidence my claim was valid. I’ve stated the IFR of C19 is at least twice that of influenza. I’ve never claimed they are equal.

The CDC estimates everyone uses to discuss influenza are garbage. We’ve been through all that months ago.

You know my intent isn’t to minimize the dangers of C19. As usual, I’m only interested in pointing out the agendas of reporters. As I said, I agree with your calculations on C19. I do not agree with the premise that re-admission rates of C19 are unique. Nor do I agree with CDC estimates of influenza mortality rates.

Hope they get your internet going by morning.

 

I'm not upset. Sometimes I put it in all caps for emphasis, not like yelling. I probably shouldn't, and should use underlined or bold font but I often just hit the caps lock; it's easier.
I did not say the re-admission rates are unique. That is a word you are using but I didn't. Go back to my posts, you won't find it. I just said that in numbers, the incidence of complications (and deaths) from Covid-19 is far higher than from the flu, and that's a fact, like I demonstrated (and it's a pretty easy fact to notice). The bogus CDC estimates for the flu are overestimations, not underestimations (as only a tiny fraction of those supposed flu deaths are tested for the flu). If we were to estimate Covid-19 deaths the way the CDC estimates flu deaths, we'd find more, not less. Covid-19 deaths are real ones, either confirmed by testing or by extremely typical disease course in the (now rare) cases where there was no testing (more common at first; no longer). I understand that your article just said that 50% of deaths by flu occur after discharge. I never really addressed that part as it doesn't say anything about different incidence. I kept saying, these issues are more common with Covid-19, and they are. Again, this thing is not the agenda of reporters, it comes from research by a reputable university and from numbers by a reputable official statistics office. Yep, Internet is back, thanks. Cheers.

 

I just don't understand how ignorant people can be about how Lethal Covid-19 is. Influenza infections has almost been completely eliminated and this isn't by accident, it's because of the increase in Mask wearing, Social distancing and generally better hygiene and cleanliness everywhere, but despite all these precautions society is taking, Covid-19 continues to Infect, Ravage and Kill thousands everyday in America. To everyone who believes Covid-19 is a Hoax, I think if we all believed as they did and there was no Mask wearing, Social Distancing or any other Changes to our lifestyles, Covid-19 would be Killing people at a rate that would look as if it was End of Humanity on Earth. I think some get fooled by Covid-19 by the Viral Load of it, if you are exposed to the Virus, but in a small amount, it might seem like nothing more than a case of the Flu, because your Body got chance to build up immunities and fight the Virus, but if you were in a Room and the Viral load was extremely High! such as a Retirement Home it would infect and kill people like a Wildfire in a Forest. Anyways! I'm not a Doctor, but I can recognize how dangerous Covid-19 would be if we had not taken some extreme measures to prevent it's spread and gone on with Life as Usual, but with the precautions we've taken, I still consider it as extremely bad.

 

What you don't understand is how many people like me know dozens of people of average health who have had the infection and survived just fine.

What you don't understand is that the PCR test upon which this fraud is based is not designed for diagnostic purposes.

What you don't understand is that you've been duped by career bureaucrats and the mainstream media.

Likely you will never understand any of those things.

It is easier to fool a man than it is to explain to him how he has been fooled. Best of luck!

 

My criticism is of the reporting on the issue. The Yahoo article begins:

This is sensationalism. A third of Covid patients being re-admitted is not alarming, it’s normal. Not only for respiratory viral infections but not even much different than all cause re-admissions There is no control so we don’t even know if the one in eight figure is alarming.

Again, you are correct to point out Covid is “worse” than influenza. I don’t have a problem with that at all. My beef is with sensationalism that isn’t based on evidence.

Influenza death estimates by the CDC are drastically lower than than the actual deaths that are caused by influenza. I presented irrefutable evidence of this in the past. You know I revere science, but in this case the “science” has failed spectacularly. The data is there, but for some reason it’s ignored. The numbers we get from the CDC on influenza deaths are bogus, but drastically low, not inflated.
http://www.politicalforum.com/index.php?posts/1072137735/

Glad to hear it. We’ve become so dependent on service it’s hard to live without it. We were out for a few hours a couple weeks ago. It was terrible. Couldn’t check commodity markets, weather, or post on PF!

 

I must have lived a sheltered life, but of the dozens of people I know who were infected, not a single one was admitted to the hospital. Most never even saw a doctor.

 

Oh, you are talking about cardiovascular deaths associated with Influenza, and if I'm not mistaken I've conceded this point in a previous discussion. But the issue is, we haven't seen the cardiac deaths by Covid-19 yet in all their order of magnitude but it is actually very likely that this will be a problem, given the high number of myocarditis we are seeing in survivors. The jury is still out on cardiovascular deaths triggered by Covid-19 and/or its sequelae so it would be inaccurate to add these to flu deaths but not to Covid-19 deaths, if we want to compare the lethality of these two diseases. Remember, Covid-19 is a new disease so we don't know yet the mid-term and long-term consequences. I won't be surprised at all if when it is all said and done in a few years, we'll realize that heart failure stemming from Covid-19 will be far more numerous than cardiovascular deaths from the flu.

 

Covid related cardiovascular deaths will almost certainly exceed influenza related cardiovascular deaths for a period of time. That’s probably one thing driving the re-admission and subsequent deaths of “recovered” patients in the original study you provided.

Of course we will likely never have influenza data to compare with C19 data because it’s politically incorrect to compare the two. We are already in denial of the cardiovascular effects of influenza (have been for decades) and looking hard for every cardiovascular effect of C19 so there will never be an apples to apples comparison. Remember there has never been any research done on the number of silent myocardial infarctions caused by symptomatic let alone asymptomatic influenza. We already have studies you and I have discussed on prevalence of myocardial effects of C19 in asymptomatic individuals.

We now know influenza is orders of magnitude more deadly than the CDC reports, but there is still no interest in knowing exactly how deadly. Yet we still want to use influenza as some kind of standard with which to measure C19. We can’t make comparisons with something we know very little about.

We should warn of the dangers of Covid. It’s bad. It certainly will kill victims in the future who were considered “recovered”. In my opinion, what we shouldn’t do is sensationalize Covid like Yahoo did with it’s reporting on re-admissions. Nor should we try and definitively compare C19 to a disease we’ve been “studying” for decades and still have no handle on it’s true CFR or IFR. But I understand my position is unpopular and I’m fine with that.

 

Well! as long as you're at Home, your Asymptomatic Butt can run around Naked without a Mask for all I care, but when you come out into Public, whether it's a Restaurant, Grocery Store, Dept Store or wherever those of us who believe this Pandemic is real and believe in wearing Masks and if we see your Unmasked self, YOU! will not be tolerated unless You! are also wearing a Mask, otherwise Me or any Karens running around will spray Disinfectant and Humiliate your Virus infected self right out of wherever your Non-Mask wearing self shouldn't be.

 

Careful. That would be considered an assault in many places.

 

Assault is walking into a place without a Mask during a Pandemic, spreading the Virus and infecting someone with a compromised immune system which might Kill them. I'm glad there are a lot more of us who take this Pandemic serious, Social distance and wear a Mask compared to the defiant Wannabee scientists that think they know what's best for Society. Don't like the United States rules for the Pandemic, Move to China, I'm sure they'll be a lot more understanding about your Rights to Not wear a Mask

 

Assault is illegal. Masks are not mandatory in many places and are therefore not legally enforceable. Consequently, to assault based on someone not wearing a mask is not a form of self defense. Likewise vigilante justice. You would lose your case. And depending on your frame of mind, you might even be Baker Acted for observation.

 

I've seen plenty of Videos of Anti Maskers going somewhere where they are required to wear a Mask and purposely cough on someone who's complaining and the Cops will take um down Hard for assault. If I'm wearing a Mask where required, such as a Commercial Jet and you're not and you make scene and start jumping around about your Rights and you come my way Coughing and Spouting Your Virus all over everyone to breathe in, Myself and every other person wearing a Mask is going to assist the Flight attendants to Hog Tie you and stuff you down with the Luggage, so you can scream about how you've been Violated.

 

His anger and fear have long ago overcome what wee bit of analytical skills he ever possessed.

What I find interesting since this all began is that there are several examples recorded on video of mask-wearers assaulting and pepper spraying those not wearing masks, but I have yet to see an example of the opposite.

I don't wear a mask, but I do not call names to my friends who wear a mask. I admit to chuckling at their behavior, but I fully understand each person is entitled to dress as he pleases.

 

You don't wear a Mask! I guarantee if you're on a Flight I happen to be on or at my local Grocery or Department store you'll be wearing one as long as there's a Pandemic going on.

 

I don't associate with small-minded people like you.

 

You do realize you have just spoken blasphemy to the most righteous orthodox church of covidity. Between Trumps unorthodox leadership, the restricted economy, the disruption of habit, and fear of catching the virus, many in the general population have gone outright flakey.

 

Any pandemic?

 

Regardless whether you and your comfort pet wear masks, it's dangerous to the entire world to fly during a pandemic. How dare you jet about, breathing self righteous threats to others while you yourself are in the attitude and altitude of outright reckless and maniacal homicide.

 

LOL. But his rights! He has the right to fly and buy chocolate milk whenever he wants. You have to respect his rights!

 

I'd be completely fine with that as long as you abide by the Rules of American Society and don't go anywhere Society has deemed off limits to Non-Mask wearing individuals such as yourself. I'm not willing to take the advice of a small misinformed and defiant segment of the Population that doesn't want to believe there is a Virus called Covid-19 and that it's not Highly Transmissible until they actually get infected or transmit it to their Family or Friends who end up dying from it and then they admit they were wrong and start crying like this Idiot

 

The Rules of American Society?

Golly, I was raised believing that the Supreme Law of the Land was the US Constitution. I took an oath to defend it in 1969.

Are you telling me what George Bush said all those years ago? That the US Constitution is just a piece of paper with no meaning and no authority?

You are another of those folks who do not realize they've been duped by Fauci & Friends regarding the severity of the phantom virus.

I'm not. Masks don't do a thing to stop airborne virus spread, and the government has no lawful authority to tell the citizen what items of clothing he must wear.

 

Masks don't do a thing to stop airborne Virus spread, then explain to me how The Flu ( Influenza ) is almost Non-existent during this Covid-19 Pandemic. I believe the increase in Mask wearing, Social Distancing and people being better using disinfectants and washing their Hands has had a HUGE effect on Influenza spread, but because Covid-19 is So! much more Contagious and deadly, it is creating record numbers of Infections and Deaths from it in the United States. Like I've said before, if the Precautions Americans have taken for Covid-19 were more inline with what they'd take during a normal Flu season, the amount of Infections and Deaths from Covid-19 would be astronomical, compared to the over 400,000 Dead right now.

 

The flu numbers are so low because the numbers have been being manipulated to show covid running away.

The numbers are meaningless because they've been heavily manipulated for a year now.

Plandemic. The rich are getting richer and the poor are getting more poor. Common sense, one either has it or one doesn't.

 

Ahhh! I understand your Scientific explaination now, It's all a Worldwide Hoax and all these people lying in Hospital Beds on Ventilators are staged Actors who are all in on this ploy by the Rich and Powerful to become even more Rich and Powerful. Gosh! I'm so happy people such as you know what's really going on and haven't been fooled like the rest of us.