What Types of Second Hand Smoke Affects You?

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    Sharpie Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Most think of second hand smoke as something you can smell and is obnoxious. However, consider the heaviness of chemicals and metals laden within smoke, how it hovers low and may touch children more than it affects taller people. Think how it settles on windows, tabletops, gets into clothing, hair and carpets. If you were in a hundred-room non-smoking hotel, and just one person snuck a smoke in a stairwell, particles of that smoke would be picked up by the ventilation system and become evident on all persons in the building within hours.

    People are exposed to second-hand smoke without realizing it. https://consumer.healthday.com/cancer-information-5/cigarette-smoking-tobacco-health-news-665/secondhand-smoke-more-insidious-than-thought-715219.html Now that recreational marijuana is being legalized, there is more to worry about.

    Most people attending a rock concert would not tolerate a cigarette smoker in their midst, yet marijuana smoke can be so thick it creates a haze in the air. Researchers have found that one minute of exposure to secondhand smoke from marijuana diminishes blood vessel function to the same extent as tobacco, but the harmful cardiovascular effects last three times longer. https://www.universityofcalifornia.edu/news/one-minute-secondhand-marijuana-smoke-impairs-cardiovascular-function In fact, marijuana smoke contains higher levels of certain toxins than cigarette smoke, including ammonia and hydrogen cyanide, tumor promoters and carcinogens.

    Tests have proven:
    •Exposure to secondhand cannabis smoke results in absorption of cannabinoids.
    •Secondhand exposure can produce mild subjective and behavioral/cognitive effects.
    •Room ventilation ameliorates the effects of secondhand cannabis smoke exposure.
    http://www.drugandalcoholdependence.com/article/S0376-8716(15)00160-X/abstract

    And then there is this:
    The above findings warn of elements in various forms of smoke which can be absorbed through the skin. Studies in Afghanistan showed the children suffered an inability to learn.
     
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    Sharpie Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The study in Afghanistan:
    http://www.state.gov/documents/organization/141833.pdf
     
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    More on Afghani children: The hair of a five-year-old boy!

    While this study was conducted in Afghanistan and may explain the behaviors of those people, it may also provide a look into our own future should we continue to view drugs as "recreational".
     
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    Here's what happens in the brain of a child, or an adult with long term use of opioids:
    Opiates can alter the brain and affect one's motivation and emotions. The brain changes over time and hence a person's behavior changes.

    Moreover, if one uses a high enough dose of drugs, frequently enough, and over a long period of time, the drugs can change the way the brain works.

    The way in which the nerve cells communicate are changed so a compulsive, out of control use develops despite experiencing some of the many side effects. More specific effects of opiates on the brain include changes in the synapses and shapes of brain cells. Chronic use is linked with structural changes in the size and shape of specific neurons. That is to say that there is a difference noticed in the brain between a chronic opiate user and an occasional user.

    https://web.csulb.edu/~cwallis/483/opiates_on_the_brain.html
     
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    Interesting information. Apparently smoking many sustances is not a "victimless" crime after all.

    A pet peeve of mine is the astounding fact that some hospitals, at least, do not preserve in their files on a patient the fact that, years ago, a patient was born with an addiction. In some cases, the very same hospital, yerars later, will prescribe a psyochactive drug to such patients with no awareness that they are restimulating an addiction.
     
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    Absolutely. Even when the adult patient tells their doctor not to prescribe opioids, the doctor wants to prescribe because they don't know any alternatives.

    You know who has good data? Kaiser Permanente. They have provided health care for all civil service/various government/union workers in California for more than 50 years. Because their patient base is so stable, they have 50 years of health records on their people. Stunning results of medical records plus reliable surveys have produced a wealth of the most accurate and cutting edge data on all things health related.

    One breakthrough was the Adverse Childhood Experience study ACEs) showing how stresses in childhood, many of which are quite common - like divorced parents - affect lifetime health. Not just behavioral health, but heart health, cancer, diabetes, etc. You can Google Kaiser Permanente and see that they have produced statistics pertaining to ethnic groups, men, women, etc. They provide a wealth of information but are not adequately publicized.
     
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    "What Types of Second Hand Smoke Affects You?"

    none, if were referring to Cigarettes, unless you are in a smoke filled room so thick you can cut it with a knife.... or have health problems

    in both instances you should leave said room... just like if you have peanut allergies you shoudl not go to a place that serves peanuts

    or if you sunburn easy you should avoid the sun....

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    I disagree, if it were legal people woudl not have to hide it, they could make it into food, thus no second hand smoke as no need to inhale

    and you could smoke it outside.... as no fear of the fun police arresting you for relaxing after a hard days work

    in otherwards parents could use responsible.... doesn't mean all will, same is true with alchol

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    And the children? Are they safe?
    pot-tarts.jpg
    marijuana-candy-bars.jpg
    Cap'n Chronic.jpg

    The marijuana industry is targeting children. They are using identical tactics as the tobacco industry did 90 years ago -- ensuring the next generation is hooked.

    If you were honest, and just wanted the right to get high, you'd be perfectly happy with a pill dispensed from a pharmacy.
     
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    and I am sure if they do, the laws will catch up to stop them... I no more agree to cartoons on marijuana then on alchol or cigarettes

    be like saying we should ban alchol cause of jello squares and children might eat them or ice cream drinks... .ect.....

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    Do not be sure! I live in a state where marijuana candy is legal. Colorado is a state where marijuana candy is legal, and the number of children in the emergency rooms due to accidental overdose is skyrocketing!

    Maybe your mom fed you alcohol jello, maybe you started at a young age (a brain is still a child's brain in formation until at least 25) - do what you want with your own brain. BleachBit yourself if it makes you happy. But do not ever, ever advocate anything that will endanger our children!!!
     
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    I was in Thailand recently and my host took me to a, what you might call, an opium den. The air was thick with smoke and it affected me, not that I minded. Certainly, not a fancy place but it was remarkably clean.
     
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    I'm not making any kind of moral judgment - people will do as they please. I'm pointing out that as more and more states legalize drugs, and there is a trend in that direction, citizens need to be aware of the hidden dangers.

    For example, if you went to the opium den every morning, then went on to your job in a pediatric ward, the opium would have clung to your arms, your hair, your clothing, and would transfer through the skin to the infants and children you came in contact with. Think of it as radioactive contamination.

    If people want to get high, please understand that doing so under the age of 25 will lower your IQ and shorten your lifespan. If there are children in the room, it will lower their IQ and shorten their lifespan.

    Understand that the push to legalize isn't coming from free thinkers, it's coming from an industry that is salivating over profits and needs to be sure the next generation is hooked.

    And its also fair to consider if in a few generations from now we want to be a nation of f-heads.
     
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    I have a strong sense of smell, at least when it comes to second hand smoke. I can watch smoke come out of a car window at a red light, then watch it drift across an intersection as it disappears, and then smell it when it reaches me even later. Oddly enough, the actual smell does not really bother me, but I find myself annoyed sometimes when smokers "impose" smoke into my world. I don't like unnecessary government imposed on me, and I don't like unnecessary smoke imposed on me. I do make some exceptions with smokers. If there are excessive non smoking regulations in certain areas where such governing is not needed, I kinda give them a free pass. Just as I wish for smokers to be conscious of where their smoke is going, I am conscious of the increasing regulations that those guys are facing.

    When I smell second hand pot, it hits a nerve in a way that cigs do not. My mind associates the smell of pot with lefties, and I recognize the smell of pot as the smell of lefties. It is the smell of unemployment, welfare, and failure. It is quite possible that the reason why pot smells so rotten to me is because of what it represents to me. It smells rancid and foul to me, and because of what the smell represents to me, I have little tolerance for having it imposed on me. Anybody who might be reading this who fantasizes of offending me the way Trump's victory offends them, just envision a big puff of lefty pot smoke that has been in your lungs for about 10 seconds, and picture it coming out in a nice thick cloud directed right at my righty face. Pot smoke hits me the way the site of another manhood hits me, or the smell of fecal matter.
     
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    Thanks-- I have earmarked it!

    https://www.dor.kaiser.org/external/dorexternal/index.aspx
     
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    I've had two sinus operations because of second hand smoke--once because of two college roommates that lied and claimed to be nonsmokers (I ended up sleeping in the rec room) and once because of a chain smoking office mate at work. Then, to add insult to injury, while hospitalized after the procedures, I was exposed to more smoke by the visitors of my hospital roommates. Additionally, the tobacco industry managed to entice one of my own kids into a tobacco addiction.

    I hate tobacco execs, and IMO they should all be in jail. Ditto with anyone in the mj industry that follows the same path. IMO mj should be something one could have in a small herbal garden for pain and muscular problems in the elderly, and that's it.
     
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    it was not caused by the second had smoke, get real

    you been brainwashed to believe all your genetic problems are the fault of second hand smoke imo

    unless the smoke is so thick you can cut it with a knife, it is no worse for you then sitting by a fireplace

    I smoked for 20 years, quit about 10 years ago and I am just fine, the oldest person to have lived was a smoker..... thus something else causes those types of issues, like genetics

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    That is hilarious!
     
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    I totally agree with you.
     
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    It's very easy to avoid. Don't associate with smokers. And only burn wood indoors in sealed, slow combustion burners.
     
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    double post
     
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