What Would Our Grandfathers Say?

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  1. Daniel Light

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    Bombastic hyperbole is not an argument. Try again.
     
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    We’re not dealing with brights of bulbs (Abbott administration, Texas legislature).There’s actually work involved in governance. You’d think they’d know of the treaties involved and were in contact with the Commission that governs the waterway before acting. Unfortunately, Reactionaries aren’t rational actors.

    It appears another bungling tax is going to be levied.

    Of course, the usual suspects will attempt to blame the FED-Biden for the moronic actions of the dullards they put in office.
     
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    These buoys are lined with razor wire. That is just sadistic, a trait that is beneath the surface of many conservatives.
     
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    Well, I’m a grandfather and I would say that we are suffering through another resurgence of xenophobic bigotry and ignorant racism.

    History is cyclical. The tradition of attacking new immigrants is as American as applauding Emma Lazarus’ welcome on the Statue of Liberty.

    Regressives and reactionaries who want to preserve their cultural and economic dominance will go to great lengths to attack others.
    The pendulum will eventually swing back, and the more they overreach, the sooner it happens.
    But don’t ever forget that the pendulum swings both ways.
     
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    Their lust for vengeance doesn’t seem very hidden.
     
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    The parent of said child should be held responsible.
     
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    Well said Daniel :applause:
     
  8. JohnHamilton

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    Reagan made a deal with the Democrats that was supposed to fix the border mess. Unlike your party, which requires its members to be in lockstep on public policy, there were Republicans who objected to that bill. The Democrats didn’t keep their word. The Biden administration has shattered its obligations to enforce the law and have opened the border. It’s a matter of keeping the trust. This administration has refused to enforce the law for their political advantage.

    It is going to hurt a lot of people. The Democrats have created a vast underclass of unskilled workers who will need to be under public assistance for many years. That’s the positive side. The negative side will be more criminal and worst yet, terrorists, who have come here unvetted.

    If my parents and grandparents were alive today, the Democrats chances of winning in 2024 would be nil. They would have become an endangered species in Congress like the Republicans were in the 1930s during FDR’s heydays. But the lawless Democrats are alive and well because the progressives have taken over the education system and trained two generations of political zombies. The people who are under 30 are like Pavlov dogs. Say the word “Democrat,” or show them a picture of Bernie Sanders or AOC, and they salvate.
     
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    You can’t accept everyone who wants to immigrate here all at once. We need an orderly system which monitors how many and who we allow in. Even in the days of the “huddled masses” undesirable people were sent home, and violent criminals were deported. Every nation in the world defends its borders except the United States.

    As a member of the old far left, who is probably my age, you’ll never understand that, unless, of course, a lot of the current immigrants who are coming here vote Republican. Even if you don’t think that, I will guarantee you that the people in the Biden administration have that mindset. If the immigrants were strict Catholics, who voted for politicians who oppose abortion, the wall would be built so fast it would make Trump supporters smile.
     
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    Illegals might think razor wire is sadisctic, but me and Gov. Abbott think of it as a common sense protection for Texans and a deterrence for illegal invaders. The razor wire doesn't attack anyone -- if you stay away from it you are safe.
     
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    I know what most of our ancestors would have to say throughout our country's history: since when do you need permission to cross the border? We had open borders for most of our country's history. And we shouldn't be using razor wire traps to stop a misdemeanor when those crossing may have a legal case to stay.
     
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    The middle of the river is the international borderline.

    "Although it is demarcated on the U.S. side by steel fencing, that fencing isn't the actual borderline; the middle of the river is."
    Texas buoy barriers: Who governs the Rio Grande? (elpasotimes.com)
     
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    That is so historically inaccurate that it makes my head spin. The borders of this country have been closed for long periods of time. There was very immigration into the United States from the Great Depression to the 1950s.

    Even people who were under death threats if they returned to their native country were denied access prior to World War II. There was a boatload of Jewish people who were fleeing Nazi Germany in the late 1930s. The Roosevelt administration refused to them access into this country. So did many other nations. There is a film about it called Ship of Fools in the 1960s. Finally most of them had to return to Europe when the Nazis captured many of them and put them to death in the "final solution camps."

    Most any country in the world keeps tabs on aliens who are within their borders. That's why you need a passport when you travel abroad. When you enter a little island country, like Jamaica, you have to file papers that inform the authorities about where you are going to be (which resort) and how long you expect to be there. I was on a plane to Jamaica one time, when two Bozos somehow got on the flight without a passport. After we landed, that was discovered. They were not allowing into Jamaica. They had to fly straight back to the U.S. Their money was wasted.

    You can't get back into the United States without a passport as a U.S. citizen with a lot of hassles. You open borders radical progressives have no idea how other country control immigration.
     
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    That's why I said we had open borders for MOST of our country's history. MOST. If you are going to accuse people of being historically inaccurate, then at least get their statements right.

    I don't support entirely open borders (which, again, is what we had for most of history. I just want our borders to be MORE open than they currently are. I don't want to control immigration except when someone is an actual danger. I'm with the economists on this one.
     
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    It still amazes me how anyone can write words devoid of any compassion for the plight of these people who have already endured a lot just to get to the border. There's a serious evil and depraved attitude on the far right who post here without a doubt.
     
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    An if a small child wandered into a swamp filled with quicksand and a Saint Bernard tossed the child a towel, and missed, but a Martian watching nearby flew to hover over the child but there was a Trump sticker on his flying saucer, would nearby Democrats yell and scream for the saucer to leave immediately?
    Do we really want a child to be saved by a Trump supporter?
     
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    Yes we do.
     
  18. Just A Man

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    Where's the compassion for the citizens of the USA? Where is the concern for the safety of the citizens of the USA? Where is the concern for our laws?
     
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    I personally don't care what the Mexicans object to, or don't object to(I'm so thankful for our Canadian northern friends.). The border between the US and Mexico was properly drawn after the 1854 treaty and I mentioned this before, but instead of going to WWI we could've used the zimmerman telegraph to say they were not abiding by the terms of the treaty and annexed the entire state.

    It's what we should've done, but we didn't. Had we done so, this wouldn't be an issue as the State of Mexico would have become a US State like that of Hawaii and Alaska. And I'm of the opinion, that such a revision is always possible, perhaps even necessary for our security as a nation.
     
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    Interesting.

    Theoretically speaking, if someone took an arduous journey of 3000 miles to come break into your house, would you have compassion for them?

    Personally, I would not. I could not care less how far they came to steal from me. Any compassion I have for them is surely overridden by recognizing that they are breaking the law in order to steal what I have.
     
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  21. Just A Man

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    So how many illegals have you sheltered in your house? How much money have you donated to Mexico to help these illegals reach our border? Talk is cheap, until the illegals start camping in your neighborhood and stealing from you. Just ask the compassionate homeowners on Martha's Vineyard. Ask the compassionate mayor of NYC. Illegals are not coming here to perform brain surgery they are arriving because they heard there is a free lunch. Jimmy Carter got the insane and criminals from Cuba and Biden is getting the druggies and criminals from everywhere.
     
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    Anyone who actually believes the Democrat party is pro illegal from a sense of altruism.... Is extremely misinformed or naive.

    Democrat leader see future untapped votes and nothing more. They could care less about the damage done to society by absorbing too many people too fast that we don't have the resources for.
     
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    That's the problem...YOU assume they are out to get you and steal from you. I don't think I need to mention the roots of where that fear comes from. It's obvious, but you seem like you're blind to it.
     
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    See post #48.
     
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    Huh?

    They are by definition breaking the law by trespassing. They are stealing time on my property without even mentioning that many if not most steal our resources.

    I have no idea what the hell you are talking about when you say "where that comes from". Good god, it comes from our law. They are breaking the law.

    Do you have difficulty understanding that they are breaking the law? This is like bizarro world.
     
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