What's the best Covid Vaccine?

Standards don't really matter If we need vaccines very urgently. And that's the way it is. Anti-Covid-Vaccines saved many lives, while vaccination complications were extremely seldom.

 

~ It's a crystal ball of information

 

I had Covid before we knew what was making us all sick. In Dec of 2019 the So Cal ER's and urgent care clinics were standing room only. I fought it off without being hospitalized but it was bad. I had one of the variants about 3 months ago, it was no worse than my every springtime allergies. Anti-bodies testing proved it was Covid. Now here the kicker, I am 64 years old and have bad liver problems and stage 3 kidney failure. I had those problems in Dec of 2019. Breathing was difficult but not life threatening. I attribute that to never smoking. I still have had no vaccinations and here I am. It's like playing Russian roulette taking vaccines with no real long term study's for side effects.

 

You got lucky

And maybe you were only exposed to a small viral load which allowed your body to fight off the infection - might have been different if you had taken one more lungful of infected air

You have obviously developed a natural immunity and luckily managed that without dying or ending with long term sequelae, it still does not give you a “right” to endanger others by spreading misinformation about vaccines, and unless you are backing your claims with verified peer reviewed research it is misinformation

 

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Stop calling it a vaccine. Vaccines are like the one that just about ended polio, stop the virus and kill it in the blood stream. Like Bacteria and anti-biotics, the over medicating with them has spawned several "super-bugs" that no known anti-biotic can kill them. I fear they are doing the same thing and will create a virus that will kill everybody no matter what we do.

 

Same happened to a neighbor of my sister in 2019. His GP tried treating it with antibiotics which helped temporarily but after that, it only got worse. He had flu-like symptoms for several weeks. I assume that he would have recovered much faster if there had been a vaccine back then.

 

As is often the case your opinions are unsubstantiated. Reviews of existing data do not support your opinion bolded above.

https://academic.oup.com/cid/advance-article/doi/10.1093/cid/ciab903/6397523

Here is a study that shows viral load of index cases was not associated with outcomes of secondary cases.

https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fmicb.2021.646679/full

Unfortunately both public opinion and public health strategy were predicated on the thin anecdotal evidence that existed for this theory. Just another case of those who are supposed to know better not following the “science “. You claim to be a healthcare professional that follows the “science”, but you are disseminating misinformation—again.

 

That's a big assumption considering it's had no long term testing for delayed side effects. It does not stop the spread nor infection like real vaccines do. Seems to me that's taking an awful chance ......don't you?

 

You mean short term complications, don't you?

I was hospitalized after a very bad truck accident. The hospital administered a relatively new drug in large doses, being approved by the FDA it should have been safe. 5 years later the FDA issued a black box warning as it caused a lot of people to have their tendons become brittle. Mine did. What will the vaccinated do 5 or even 10 years from now if some nasty side effects show up?

I am 64, functioning on 1/4 my liver and am in stage 3 kidney failure. I was when I got the original Covid-19 as it coursed through Southern California, Dec 2019. We didn't even know what was making us sick at that point. I believe in your right to get vaxed if you want, just don't try to force it on those of us who don't. I will NOT comply!

 

I would guess probably never. The strain of the virus for which the vaccine was developed is long gone and the current strain appears to be resistant to the vaccines but, luckily, not very dangerous.

 

I had something very similar happen to me.
I was out at the gun range for work, having to qualify. Over half-way through, my whole body started aching. I finished my time at the range and drove home. I was still aching everywhere. In my hour drive home, I could not get warm. I started getting the chills, even with the heater on. When I got home I went turned my heater on high, crawled into bed and had three heavy comforters on top of me. I ended up sleeping for about 3 to 4 hours. I usually don't take naps. When I woke up, I no longer had the chills. I was warm but wasn't sweating. I did however had a raging headache where I could feel my heart pulse in my head. That lasted for 15 minutes. Couple of hours later, I was 85% back to my normal self. By the next day, I was back to my normal self. Like you, it was the shortest I've ever had.

 

So if the current vaccines are for a strain of the virus that is no longer around and it does not work on the current strain, what would the point of being vaccinated at this point?

 

~ Fear and compliance — and money .

~ This seems to be a common symptom with Covid-19.

 

The data show that there is some therapeutic benefit to the vaccines. Hospitalization rates for vaccinated people are lower - actually a lot lower. My take from reading the science is that people who have natural immunity should not be vaccinated. Old people and people with serious medical conditions should be vaccinated. It should be optional for everyone else.

 

~ It should be optional for everyone ...

 

I have a specific entry in my Cult of the Mask almanac for this type of response, as follows:

LUCKY BASTARD: noun
In Church of the Mask Mythology, any person who, "against all odds", survives the infection and mutation/variant powers of COVID-19. In actuality, this amounts to WELL over 99% of mankind... in other words, pretty much everyone.


You can find my other Cult of the Mask entries here (so I don't have to copy/paste all of them here, as many of the definitions include italicized words which are other definitions): https://politiplex.freeforums.net/thread/68/cult-mask

 

~ I can see Cult of the Mask going on the New York Times Best Seller list ... ! '

 

Of course. Nevertheless, those who are naturally immune should not choose to take the vaccine and the elderly and compromised should not choose to avoid it.

 

It's far easier to indoctrinate folks that feel marginalized. They feel a sense of power in a large group. Support the party or they will cancel your identity. Masks are an important part of that indoctrination as half the time people you know don't recognize you wearing that mask.

 

It really should! I put good work into it, breaking down precisely how the fear mongering about it is all a scam.

 

~ Even better a Hitchcock style movie.

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Single dose J & J too.
Have faith in J & J and immune memory.


Moi, MD, ret.

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~ Covid antibodies are being sold on the black market/dark web ... ! '

Free Cannabis edibles with each transfusion ​

 

Which of the current vaccines is 'best' is probably an irrelevant question. Last time I checked there were supposed to be something like 40 different teams around the world working on projects to produce new multi strain COVID vaccines designed to attack parts of the virus that (so far at least) have proven to be conserved from variant to variant or otherwise make them effective against multiple current and future strains.

Those will be the 'best'. The question is how long it will take. Based on some reading looks like it wont be too long. COVID doesn't seem to be as hard to crack that way as the flu virus is for instance. But regardless I'm not going to make any predictions about when they'll be ready, if only because (illogically) I feel like I might be jinxing the researchers if I do.