When Does Life Begin?

A zygote is not a stage that a human being is going through because it is not a human being and neither is an embryo.

Fetus - it depends on what stage
Newborns, toddlers, and adolescents are all human beings.

The point here is to give support for your claim .. not state it as fact when it is clearly not a fact.

Restating claim over and over again is not support that claim.

 

I refute it every time....lol.

At what other point, is a human being formed, then at conception? It is actually you who can't refute this fact, not me.

There is no other biological event BUT conception that determines when human being begin.

Try to explain what exists before conception.

 

Gifted one...lol, what your stating doesn't make sense. It defies logic.

A human being CANNOT magically appear at some arbitrary point down the road. A human being is created at conception.

There is no other point to speak of.

 

You still haven't defined "human being" as you are using it. Saying "at this stage X is formed" doesn't tell me WHAT X is.

And this is scientifically inaccurate. Human being refers to a member of the species be it adult, or child. A zygote is not yet a member of the species, adult or child. So what do YOU mean when you say "human being"?

 

This is actually the crux of the argument. I'd argue that a human zygote is what is formed at conception. A human being is formed at some point later in the pregnancy.

 

the question is "when does life begin"

my answer is when the heart begins to beat. If it never beats then it's dead.

For that reason, and the heart beating at around 5 weeks, most abortions result in the cessation of life, aka MURDER

 

What do you want me to make it?

A human being, a human, a baby is created at conception.

I don't know what else to tell ya. I have no agenda, so I don't spend time defining what "is" is.

If you can claim some other event creates a human being/human/baby then conception I am all ears.

The reason I am all ears, is b/c if you can do that, then you will have defied life as we know it.

Do you think a human being is created at conception?

 

OK.

How? When?

What other event creates a human being besides conception?

 

By development. Just like conception is not an instant process.

when it can sustain its own life functions.

Conception does not create a human being, it starts the process.

 

Maybe you should look up what murder is. Spewing nonsense is not a good strategy.
By the way, what do you believe it is before the 5th week?

 

It is you that claims the zygote is a human being.

Shouting out a question "at what other point is a human being formed" does not support your claim.

It is a logical fallacy to suggest that "because there are no alternate explanations that your claim must be true.

The fact of the matter however is that there are indeed numerous other answers that have been given to your question by biologists and other experts.

You seem to have trouble maintaining focus on one argument so lets refute this one first prior to refuting your other two arguments.

Do you understand that there are numerous answers to the question "when does a human exist" ?

 

The question is actually "when does a living human exist".

One could always argue that the sperm and egg are alive.. but I think this is what you meant in any case.

I tend towards sentience but default to about 4 weeks prior to when scientists claim significant brain function exists.

A cororners definition of a dead human (no significant brain function) and then subtract a few weeks just for good measure.

 

Yea, you keep saying that but never offer any support.

No the term is what it is. It IS a zygote.

They all are those things.

They are not merely "stages"

Neither were they created to define a human being.

Not at all, they exist to define what the entity is.

 

You find killing life, or rather ending a heart beat, to be bad? Why?

 

The development of self-awareness. This creates a person, which is what he is driving at, I think.

 

you are being facetious aren't you?

 

A zygote is created at conception. A zygote is not a baby.

 

nope, the poll asks "when does life begin"

when the heart stops and then the brain thereafter, is when we call that death........so, a beating heart must represent life

 

what are you talking about???

if you willingly and planned to take my life that would be murder. It is no different than when it's done to babies

 

On my grandfather's grave, I am being serious. Do you consider human life special in and of itself? If so, why? Its a serious question.

 

496th Post. Thank Bob this flawed thread is about to end....

Yes, equating a human fetus with all life, as if human life was inherently special was the flaw. Obviously it's important to human's, but that doesn't make us the standard by which all LIFE should be defined or compared.

Most of these people defending LIFE as precious are not vegetarians, so they are assuming LIFE = human embryo. They also tend to support or excuse wars, so clearly it's not human life that's important to them as propping up a flawed ideology.

 

Indeed.

Totally agree.

 

No, a beating heart is not of special significance for a definition of death. Cessation of circulation is indeed called a clinical death, but for historical reasons only, as people nowadays are routinely and repeatedly ressurected from this "death".

Modern definition of death of a human being used in medicine and law is brain death (necrosis of the brain). (It is also important to realize that human body can sometimes live for a long time on life support after brain death.)

I like your thought process, as it is only logical and consistent to define beginning of a legal human being in a similar way we define death.

5th month is when brainwaves first appear, so I suggest that as a threshold.

 

a good attempt however people are kept alive with no brain activity

once the heart begins, we have life. to stop the heart from beating is then taking away that life aka murder

 

So, you're saying that anything without a heart cannot, by definition, be alive?