When Will The Day Be?

I keep hearing on FB and on the internet that "Today's not the day to discuss gun control.".

My question is?

When?

When do we discuss it?

Are we going to wait until after more children are killed?

If we had really discussed gun control following Columbine, could today have been prevented?

What about after the following incidents?

— Aug. 5, 2012: Army veteran Wade Michael Page kills five men and one woman and wounds three other people, including a police officer, before taking his own life at the Sikh Temple of Wisconsin outside Milwaukee.

— July 20, 2012: Twelve people are killed when a gunman enters an Aurora, Colo., movie theater, releases a canister of gas and then opens fire during opening night of the Batman movie "The Dark Knight Rises." James Holmes, a 24-year-old former graduate student at the University of Colorado, has been charged in the deaths.

— Jan. 8, 2011: A gunman kills six people and wounds 13 others, including then-U.S. Rep. Gabrielle Giffords, in a shooting spree outside a grocery store in Tucson, Ariz. Doctors say Jared Lee Loughner, who has been charged in the deaths, suffers from schizophrenia.

— Nov. 5, 2009: Thirteen soldiers and civilians were killed and more than two dozen wounded when a gunman walked into the Soldier Readiness Processing Center at Fort Hood, Texas, and opened fire. Army psychiatrist Maj. Nidal Hasan is charged with 13 counts of premeditated murder and 32 counts of attempted premeditated murder.

— March 10, 2009: Michael McLendon, 28, killed 10 people — including his mother, four other relatives, and the wife and child of a local sheriff's deputy — across two rural Alabama counties. He then killed himself.

— April 16, 2007: Seung-Hui Cho, 23, kills 32 people and himself on Virginia Tech campus in Blacksburg, Va.

— April 20, 1999: Students Eric Harris, 18, and Dylan Klebold, 17, opened fire at Columbine High School in Littleton, Colo., killing 12 classmates and a teacher and wounding 26 others before killing themselves in the school's library.

I don't care if it takes fifty years to get guns off the streets...the time to do it is now. Not tomorrow.

 

Has it ever occurred to you that maybe gun control isn't the answer, and that's why we shouldn't be discussing it?

 

Are you one of those, like Ann Coulter, who think all teachers should be fully armed? Do you really think that's the answer?

 

What are you suggestions on gun control?

 

Ayuh,.... I got a Better idea,...

Lets take all the Crazies off the streets, like we used to do, 'bout 50 years ago...

 

Agreed. I bet republicans will still be against forcing insurance companies to cover the cost of mental healthcare. We also need to expand care to people and make mental health a legit illness.

 

I'm one of those people who thinks it's stupid to get caught up in the chicken little media narrative that guns are the source of all of society's problems. Drunk driving accounts for more annual fatalities than shootings. Why all the fear over guns and no fear over cars when you're more likely to die in a drunk driving collision than to be shot?

Statistically, it's illogical.

 

I used to think you were above NRA talking points. Try thinking for yourself.

Tell that to Japan.

 

So do you want to actually refute anything I've said here?

 

Gun prohibitions won't cure culture rot. Sorry.

 

How many people are actually intentionally killed by cars? How many ppl get in their car and say, "Hmmm....I think I'll drive over to the elementary school and kill 20 children."?

 

While my heart goes out to the people struck by this tragedy I usually completely avoid these topics because I know exactly what will be said by both sides. The fact is we cannot stop talking about gun control. There were just two cases settled by the supreme court involving gun control in the past week or so. It's also uncanny how I read this article only two days ago. This is only an excerpt but the whole thing is worth a read.

 

I personally think that the discussion should be curbed until positions can be free from immediate emotional entanglement. I believe this for reasons I think I can express in terms you will understand and agree with.

I do not believe young girls considering abortion should be shown traumatizing imagery, and given religious rhetoric about their immortal souls.

I do not believe that alcoholics should be sentenced to religious institutions which seek to prey on the weak and vulnerable to try and influence behavior which follows a political agenda.

I think, any rational discussion must be approached without an immediate tragedy used as a positioning tool... because it is predatory and dangerous.

So to answer your question... a while.

 

What about this? Why don't we discuss what most of these people had in common....which was that they told others of their desire to do this and talked about it....either on Facebook or even to psychiatrists.

Why didn't the psychiatrist who spoke to the Aurora Colorado murderer turn this guy in to authorities....when he said he had thoughts about killing a lot of people? Why? Because legally she probably thought she couldn't.

What about the parent of the Columbine shooters' responsibility? They didn't know their kids had weapons in their rooms? They were clueless to what was going on with their kids???

Why don't people who see this online...on Facebook....turn people in to the authorities so they can be thoroughly checked out. IF these people are truly nuts and having these kinds of thoughts....shouldn't authorities know? Shouldn't the gun shops have notice to NOT sell any guns to such people?

I'm not totally against making the purchase of assault weapons unavailable to the general public; only law enforcement and military perhaps. But what scares me about that is that I think it's just an opening that would give cause to take gradually....more and more of our gun rights away. IOWs, I don't trust that the people who want to use these incidents to take that right away would stop there. That's not what they want. AND besides.....gun murders would still happen. In fact, if they passed legislation tomorrow banning ALL guns in the U.S.......it would be the good responsible owners hurt; not the bad guys. The bad guys would keep their guns.

There are many other ways to resolve the problem of these nut cases deciding to murder a bunch of people than just taking away gun rights.

This was a horrible, horrible thing that happened today. But if you added up all the others deaths through violence in a year.......wife beatings, abuse of children, shootings on the streets among gangs, etc.....it's off the charts. This one touches our hearts more.....because it's little kindergarten kids who could be our kids or our grandkids.

 

Good question if you try to legislate gun sales. I suspect this number would go WAY UP.

 

Have you ever read the knee jerk reactions of some Americans when you even try to broach the subject? I would rather suggest that all American males remove their testicles than suggest we remove guns

But the myths about guns - that I will attack with glee

 

Thank you for supporting my argument... it made me think of a thread killer I think.



How long should we wait to talk about the despotic dictator Saddam Hussain, and weapons of mass destruction... and his possible Al Queda ties?

People get real easy to push in the face of horror. Let's just let it chill for a minute... this was less than 12 hrs ago.


That has to be a thread killer... I just do not see a rational argument from the left in the face of that.

 

Conservatives are such cowards, they can't go anywhere without their guns. Many conservatives on this site even need to use guns in their avatars!

 

Hmmm - you have research to back this? Because with all the research I have done on this topic THAT is an exception to the rule

No because 99% of people who say things like that to psychiatrists do not do anything about it

Have you ever SEEN a male teenagers room??? Finding the floor or ceiling is usually hard enough

Interesting question - about a year or so ago we had a member on here who had a famous mass murderer for an avatar was opening admiring of said mass murderer (Charles Manson) and was threatening enough that I stopped posting here for a while - what was done in that instance? (You don't have to answer)

If it touches your heart then listen to this

http://www.childrensdefense.org/chi...tions/data/protect-children-not-guns-2012.pdf

 

"Yes, let's get gun control passed TODAY when everyone is so upset! Quick, quick! Pass that bill! Quick! Just pass it! We'll find out what's in it later!"

Never let a good crisis go to waste, do you libs? How nice for you guys to have an opportunity to try and push your agenda. You must be so happy. Too bad all those kids had to die for you to do it.

 

So you are saying that the black NFL player, the nut in Oregon and the nut in Connecticut were all conservatives? How do you derive that conclusion? All of the shooters are dead. You are starting to sound like George Bush Jr calling the dead terrorists cowards after they committed suicide. Even Bill Maher saw the irony of this statement.

 

I sympathize, but I don't think that banning guns will actually do any good.

 

Despite what others here will tell you - evan Australia did not ban guns

But over here it is privilege and not a right - a privilege that carries very strong responsibilities

Think about how that would impact on your society

 

Likewise, I would like to know when will be the day to discuss putting bullies and mental cases to sleep rather than waste tax dollars rehabilitating them.