White House’s Efforts to Combat Misinformation Face Supreme Court Test

I didn't start the "Bloodbath" thread. My view on that is that Trump was rambling incoherently about Chinese imports, and in the middle of his incoherent ramble, he said, "There will be a bloodbath, if Biden wins the election". I think this was a Freudian slip. He's such a narcissist that, he thinks his White Supremacist followers will risk getting jailed for him again, if he loses the election.

 

I guess FAUX News didn't air Biden's "Not on my watch" comment, regarding China. And it worked, a week later, BYD issues a statement that they are not trying to enter the US Car Market.

 

You got a whole lot of nonsense about a point on imposing tariffs.

I would call that misinformation.

 

What, you don't think that was an incoherent rant from Trump?

 

He's not a professor. He's not difficult to understand.

 

Oh they did. The did, they lived under repression like we've never experienced. Quartering troops in your house? Were it not for the 3rd Amendment, you know that Bribed Joe would have troops occupying Trump's house.

Liberals Fret They Have Lost The Disinformation Wars.

https://tippinsights.com/liberals-fret-they-have-lost-the-disinformation-wars/

Well, the last thing that these totalitarian asshats are is "Liberal", that they call themselves "liberal" is their first lie. Liberals embrace Liberty, these bastards are Authoritarians, the very opposite of Liberal.

On Sunday, the Fake News 'New York Times published an agonizingly long 4,200-word article on how former President Trump's allies are winning the war over disinformation.'

That's because Americans are picking up on the fact that the DNC in coordination with Leftwing Politicians and the lying fake news folks are attacking Americans with constant and overlapping disinformation campaigns

'"Waged in the courts, in Congress and in the seething precincts of the internet," the counteroffensive over censorship waged by Trump and his allies "has eviscerated attempts to shield elections from disinformation in the social media era."'

Sure, the same sonofabitches that colluded with the Corrupt FBI and the Lying Intelligence Community that swore up and down that Hunter's Laptop of Putin Planted Disinformation, to rig the election are going to lecture us on shielding elections from disinformation.

'The piece was a list of familiar liberal grievances around a central question: "In a world of unlimited online communications, in which anyone can reach huge numbers of people with unverified and false information, where is the line between protecting democracy and trampling on the right to free speech?"'

These rat bastards who are protecting a guy who is only president because of a rigged election, who helped launch the campaign to have the corrupt FBI spy on Candidate Trump, who declared to our allies that it was open season to spy on Trump while against Hillary, and then who coordinated against the incoming Administration to try to drive him from office, are all about "protecting democracy from Free Speech". What they want is to be able to lie to the American People and silence us so that we cannot publically call them out on their crimes and falsehoods.

'The article's timing was to help influence the Supreme Court, which heard oral arguments on Monday in a lawsuit filed by the attorneys general of Missouri and Louisiana about how federal officials force social media platforms to limit speech critical of the government.'

 

'the gist of it is that Justice Jackson is upset that the pesky First Amendment is getting in the way of the government censoring things willy-nilly.'

https://pjmedia.com/stephen-kruiser...the-left-is-terrified-of-free-speech-n4927429

'This all gets back to the Democrats' disinformation fairy tale. They would prefer to be able to label any truths that interfere with their false narratives as disinformation and to lean on social media platforms to censor conservatives. Traditional media is already doing their bidding, so they don't need any help there. Dems are also nervous about not having Twitter/X in their pockets anymore.'

MSNBC Legal Lunatic Frets Over America's 'Deep Commitment to Free Speech'

'Casual disregard for the Constitution is pervasive in the Democratic Party. However, it's one thing to hear a random congressperson complaining about the First Amendment and another entirely to hear a member of the Supreme Court disparage the fact that the Bill of Rights does exactly what it's intended to do. That's some real "Twilight Zone" stuff there.'

This is clearly where they have been headed.

'A frequent lament in recent years is that the Democrats are no longer coy about their disdain for constitutional freedoms. They used to put on a show, pretending to be champions of free speech and swearing that they didn't want to take our guns. Biden era leftists have abandoned all pretense and now sneer at freedoms that many of us hold dear.'

They think they can get away with breaking cover, and I think they are wrong.

 

It is not government as much as big business behind particularly health scams like “use this simple 10 second trick”

 

And you WANT cigarette companies spreading lies about “health benefits” of tobacco? Hmmm. - thought we had moved past that.

 

Really?? Like when big companies were telling people how healthy cigarettes were, how “safe” asbestos was and don’t even start me on the oncoming plastics pollution pandemic.

if you want to see the damage even one anti-vaxx idiot can cause look at Samoa

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3099(20)30053-0/abstract

 

And if this misinformation was only affecting America that would be less of a problems but it is affecting and infecting the rest of the world.

Take Aus - we have banned ALL drug advertising. Not even Tylenol is allowed to be advertised here - result the public are not lining up to doctors “demanding” the latest version of whatever that the drug companies are pushing

 

Free speech includes the ability to tell lies, or be wrong.

"If you cannot or will not harm me in case I comply not with your wish, the expression of your wish is not a command, although you utter your wish in imperative phrase. If you are able and willing to harm me in case I comply not with your wish, the expression of your wish amounts to a command, although you are prompted by a spirit of courtesy to utter it in the shape of a request..."---John Austin, The Province of Jurisprudence Determined and the Uses of the Study of Jurisprudence.

The WH, and other government agencies, were not requesting social media companies censor Americans; they were commanding it!

 

Two things:

1) Another reminder why Leftists should never be called "liberals". They're not, and I wish RWers would stop doing that.

2) This quote: "In a world of unlimited online communications, in which anyone can reach huge numbers of people with unverified and false information, where is the line between protecting democracy and trampling on the right to free speech?"'

Since when does trampling on the fundamental rights of Americans qualify as "protecting democracy"?

How does one square that authoritarian logic?

Here's your answer:

The line between violating people's fundamental rights and "protecting democracy" is TOTALITARIANISM.

In a way, I'm glad they're breaking cover. They're showing their true totalitarian colors for all to see, and now there's a clear line of fire.

 

Indeed, and likewise free speech includes the right to refute lies and erroneous information.

In a free society, WE THE PEOPLE have the right to discuss and debate these things in the public arena. The government does not have the authority to decide what we can discuss and debate amongst ourselves.

The free flow of information is integral to freedom of thought and speech, and when government seeks to impede the free flow of information it violates our freedom of thought and speech.

The Biden Admin's trespasses and transgressions here are truly Orwellian in their totalitarian nature.

 

People lie., make mistakes etc. This is not uncommon. It is an open exchange of ideas that brings these misnomers to light; not the opposite.

The very existence of dishonest and/ or wrong people is why you NEED to hear all sides of an argument. If you have one side that dictates their position cannot be questioned, sometimes it will be them that are wrong and at that point you have perpetuated falsehoods by burying the truth.

Other times, there is not an objective truth, rather there is only shades of gray and once again, knowing all of those shades makes people more, not less informed.

What about this is so difficult to grasp? The very reason you are citing for shutting some people up, is the actual reason why all sides must be heard.

See above.

 

Go ahead and explain what his position on tariffs is then.

 

Actually, they weren't, as we found out when the Repub hearing on the matter exploded in their faces.

 

Biden, his staff, and his cabinet are the most powerful people in the world. They wield so much power (and potential power) that the idea that they could formulate a "request" is ludicrous. All of their requests are in effect, commands. Which is fine with many aspects of governing, but not speech. Commands relating to speech is expressly forbidden by the Constitution.

 

Oh, you mean like the claim Trump said to drunk bleech?

 

Yes, in America even Australians have the right to lie and be wrong.
It is a right we grant them that they clearly enjoy.

 

100% tariffs on Chinese cars built in Mexico.

So do you acknowledge that his use of the term "bloodbath" was about the US auto industry?

 

Sure, these lying bastards in the Bribed Joe WH are going to control national expression in this nation of Free People?

Russian Collusion to 'Bloodbath': A Decade of Toxic Fake Hysteria

Overlapping coordinated disinformation campaigns against the Free American People

'In the last ten years, we’ve witnessed the Russian collusion hoax, calls from military officers and analysts for extra-legal interventions and coups, the Alfa ping hoax, the drink bleach hoax, the “suckers” D-Day hoax, the celebrities’ contest about the best way to decapitate, stab, blow up, shoot, or incinerate Trump, the 2016 leftwing postelection effort to turn state electors into “faithless” apostates to elect Hillary, the nutty Mark Milley call to his Chinese counterpart, the Antifa/BLM riotous months of 2020 and effort to storm the White House grounds, the two first-term impeachments, the laptop “Russian disinformation” hoax, the pee accusation, the “51 intelligence authorities” ruse, the FBI hiring of Twitter censors to suppress unwanted news, the Senate trial of a private citizen, the January 6 “insurrection” where “five police officers were killed” lie, the farcical two Republican members of the Jan 6 committee, the attempt to remove Trump from state ballots, the insane E. Jean Carroll suit, the Letitia James “find me the man, and I’ll find you the crime” writ, the monstrous $355 million fine growing daily to $450, the Alvin Bragg bootstrapping of an inert federal suit, the Fani Willis/Nathan Wade circus, the Jack Smith antithesis to Robert Hur’s twin investigation, the effort to bankrupt the Republican nominee, and of course the constant calls to pack the court (when the Left lost the majority), to end the filibuster (when Democrats control the Senate), to add two new states and four new senators (provided they are DC and Puerto Rico) and to end the Electoral College (once the Left lost the surety of the reliable blue wall).'

I wish the Court seemed a little more against Bribed Joe's censorship goons, but, we'll wait for the decision.

 

White House’s Efforts to Combat Misinformation Face Supreme Court Test

Incorrect. The white house does not combat misinformation. It combats information that is against its interests. This is the very reason we have a first amendment.

 

You know - what a politician says is on record. If he misspeaks, as Trump often does, his campaign goes into damage-control-mode. Reference his recent comment, where he said, "There will be a bloodbath if Biden wins". You tell me. If Biden said this, whether in-context or out-of-context, tell me you wouldn't be all over it. FAUX News would be publicizing it for months, even years. This is almost forgotten now by the mainstream media. That's the difference. Look how they continue with the Hunter Biden narrative, along with the MAGA Extremist controlled House of Representatives, wasting taxpayer money.

 

It's context, and I would ridicule anybody that intentionally takes things out of context intentionally, which happens often,.