white people becoming minority in USA

I like how you think that a small minority exploiting the people who live IN Mexico think the same way as every Mexican, Latin American, Hispanic, and descendant thereof.

Actually, no I don't. If you think illegal immigration is part of our big plan to retake the Norther Teriitories, well, you sound like a conspiracy theorist

 

Oh come on...You know this better than me.Just look at you user name...

 

The most recent census put Whites at 73%.

 

The small elite exploiting the Mexican people are themselves Mexican. Stay home and fix Mexico instead of coming here and recreating Mexico.

 

Yes, but when you look at the proportion of white children to non-white children, the numbers get much scarier.
Most babies being born in the USA are now non-white, and this has much more to do with a fast-breeding hispanic population and uncontrolled levels of immigration than it does with interbreeding.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/06/23/census-whites-now-make-up-minority-of-babies_n_883082.html

Actually the fact that non-whites of all ages make up only 27% of the population should be much more alarming than if they made up 50% the population. Because from the non-white population to go from 27% to 51% in a single generation is alarming. If non-whites of all ages were currently 50% of the population, at least it would not show such startlingly high growth rates.


Look, I am just saying that I think [northern european] white people look much more attractive (or at least generally do not look repulsive) than other races. White people also have a culture that is much more pleasant to be around, at least from my perspective. People naturally tend to congregate amongst and with other people who are similar to them. We can see this in churches. There tend to be white churches, black churches, and asian churches, even when they are all similar religions.

And it is an indisputable fact that the white population is slowly declining, while other races are having many children. I would hate for white people to disapear in the next few hundred years. White people will soon be a minority in the USA, as most of the babies being born are now non-white. Take a look at the statistics and see how fast the hispanic population has increased in the last generation. If the next generation has as many children as the last one now, there will be far many more people, and very probably declining living standards.

It is not that I do not care about people of other races, but what is wrong with caring more about people of your own race? I care about as much about the middle easterners in my country as I do about the people who are in the Middle East. Many people have idealized fantasies about everyone living together without conflict or poverty, but that simply is simply not a realistic vision of how society can work. Trying to impose such idealized values on everyone else will just result in undoable problems.

Hopefully you can understand this perspective, even if you do not agree with it.
I just want my children to continue to live in an area with mostly white people, and to have decent economic opportunities. If someone could guarantee me that, I would be much more open to "tolerance".


It is the truth, people tend to prefer their own race. You can clearly see it in these race distribution maps of the USA:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1315078/Race-maps-America.html

I will mention again that there are now more hispanics within Los Angeles County (which is in California) than there were native Americans living in the present day countries of the USA and Canada combined before the eruopeans came. There are now far many more hispanics than there ever were native americans.

Here is a non-biased report by an newspaper based in India:
http://articles.timesofindia.indiat...1_nursery-schools-white-population-immigrants

White people make up less than 50% of the population of the 100 largest cities in the United States for the first time in history, census data show.
(from 2001)
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/1305063.stm

In America, the white total fertility rate (babies per woman lifetime) dropped below the replacement rate of 2.1 by 1972. Today it is about 1.9 . Compare that to the hispanic replacement rate of 3.9, and you can see the problem. This does not even take into account that hispanics have children at earlier ages. Just like compounding interest, even a slightly higher rate will cause huge differential effects after being compounded over time.

White people are having fewer children because they do not feel they can afford them. Wages have been gradually declining in the last four decades, and housing costs have been getting more expensive. The jobs and houses that white people would have occupied are being taken up by other races. This can clearly be seen in California. White people are leaving the state because it is too expensive. It is too expensive because the population has been growing so fast. And this is mostly because of all the immigration. The hispanics have had so many children that 51% of the students in California are now hispanic, and the number is rapidly rising.

http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=56876
one of the main reasons for the high tax rate is to support all the hispanic children, who typically come from low-income families, in the public schools.

In 2007 Hispanics made up more than 48% of California's student population. As of 2010, according to the state Department of Education, 51% of students (3.1 million) are Hispanic. The state of California provided $9,266 per student annually in 2003. Note that this is only the funding recieved from the state, counties and cities fund the remainder of the educational costs. Using these numbers, it can be estimated that the cost to the state of California alone to educate its hispanic students is more than $28.7 billion.

Yes, hispanics pay taxes, but do you really think a typical hispanic family actually pays enough taxes to cover the cost of sending their 4 children to public school?

source for hispanics making up over half of the California students:
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/thehomeroom/2008/08/washington---th.html
http://www.newstaco.com/2010/12/14/majority-california-students-latino/

How is this not alarming?

 

So the fact that the actions of a few represent the majority? By that logic, avery Afghanistani is an America-hating terrorist?

 

Surely you know nothing about the Mexican Empire. As an Imperialist, I support the Mexican Empire, not the re-taking of the Cession.

Not many Mexicans share my views, just like not many Mexicans are actually bloodthirsty cartel members who want to invade America and conquer the whole American continent.

Jesus, what kind of people do you think we are?

 

May I ask, what's so terrible about that? US is a melting pot and it was dominated by White Caucasian Immigrants. Time changed and more and more Latin or Asian immigrants came in.

To make my point clear, problems with immigrants who are unwilling to accept the society in which they emmigrate are not what I am refferring to with that post. Such problems must be talked about and dealt with.

I only want to ask what the problem is, if hundred years ago 9 of 10 neighbours were White causcasians and that now e.g. 3 are White Caucasians, 1 is African American, 3 are Asian and 3 are Latin?

I cannot see the problem.

 

That never going to happen.The Mexican people (new generation)have been taught to exploit there young.This can be seen in many ways. The manipulation of the constitution and US law. Just look at the pro-Latino groups. They have there children waving Mexican flags ,and chanting viva Mexico.

 

I wouldn't call an estimated 20 to 30 million a few.

 

I'm not saying every Mexican is a bloodthirsty cartel.To create an empire (political)one needs to have domination, or control imperialistic sovereignty.Much the way Germany and Japan wanted.

Maybe you could be more specific on what kind of empire your speaking of,say like the old days of Mexico or something like Chinas .

 

First off the US is a melting pot.But like all melting pots putting in more of one,than the other will cause unbalancing.In this case Latinos are by far the other,out doing Asians,and all other combined.

You asked what the problem is.The problem is that not all but the majority of immigrants that immigrate are Latinos.And they have manipulated the ways to become citizens.

You say these problems must be talked about,they have been with results that favor the Latino immigrant. But yet the Latino refuse to accept what they get.In years pass,there have been countless numbers of bills,laws,amendments and even an amnesty to satisfy them. But yet they still protest complain its not enough.

 

Because wealth is determined by the genetic quality of the people living in said area, if you live in a country that turns from being 90% white to becoming 90% black then you will end up living in africa version 2.0, desperate poverty and rampant crime included, personally I dont want to live in Africa (or Saudi Arabia which is the more likely outcome in Denmark).

The same argument holds true if latin-americans become a majority, then large parts of the US will turn into Mexico AKA be mired by severe poverty and extremely high crime levels.

 

Hmmm, to go back to my comparison, many of the European immigrants of the last centuries were not leaving their homelands in Europe to rebuild a copy of it in the USA, they left for a change (some were persecuted, some were poor and so on).

 

So they are illegal there. I can understand that you see this as a serious problem (we have some similar problems here), but would it matter if the illegals were of another ethnic origin?

I know this problem, we have the same here, I think indeed it is a problem of certain cultural backgrounds of these immigrants, but would it be any better if Germans, Polish or Swedish people would flood your country and behave like that?

 

SSsshhhh...don't let facts get in the way of racist propaganda.

Bla bla bla a big pile of concocted racist drivel aimed at what? What is the purpose of almost all of these threads? What is it they are trying to con people into doing with respect to the inaccurate scaremongering they go out of their way to allege? What should people do about this obsessive pet hate?

It might be you have to accept that European people are from Europe. We look that way because there is no fookin sun in the northern parts of Europe. We look that way only because we live in Europe. We are white because our skin doesn't need to provide the level of sun protection that is required in hotter climes...like the US for example. Move us to hotter climes and our skin will eventually adapt and darken whether we mix with other ethnicities or not.

No matter what racist non realists try to do, unless you build a big sun screen on top of the US you are going to lose your European appearance in the fullness of time and realistically there is not a thing you can do to stop that.

Also if your doors are closed to European immigration as it is to other nationalities unless people are educated or wealthy etc, the majority of your incoming is probably not of European appearance, so obviously you are going to blend with whatever ethnicity enters your country in greatest number.

As opposed to some white supremacist US morons, who apparently would like to invade everything south of the border with a view to removing any potential economic migrant in case he pollutes the gene pool

 

Your info is incorrect.

Some in England saw America as an opportunity to start over, rather than just to obtain more wealth.

 

I live with Mexicans all around me. They are the uneducated and impoverished of Mexico. What's your affiliation? Sureno o Norteno?

 

German,Polish and Sweden people are much more diversified that Latinos are,where Latinos are incongruous.

 

Mexicans are hard working people who love their families and will take every free social welfare benefit they can lay their hands on. The mestizo culture does not value education in the way East Asian or South Asian cultures do.

Mestizo culture got by in Mexico by ignoring the govt. They do the same thing in America all too often. No driver's licenses and no insurance. No compliance with land use planning. No compliance with zoning or the permitting process.

Gang banging is what young Mexican men do all too often. Selling dope, knocking up chicas, and living the loco pistolero life.

 

Well said. I have spent years watching Mexicans disrespect a city's zoning ordnances,to the point you would think its Mexico.Things like raising live stock(chickens and goats) in a apartment.

 

Assimilation existed in the past, but not today. In this era multiculturalism reigns. Multiculturalism promotes separate identities and prevents the creation of a common culture. For you this is theoretical. For me this is reality.

 

Mixing different races in the same school or work place is NOT a good idea. Actually mixing together genes from different races is an even WORSE idea. The different races have been separated geographically for tens of thousands of years. You do not think there will be some genetic consequences of suddenly mixing different racial genes?

The multiracialists would have you believe that the different races are all the same on the inside, that they only look a little different on the outside. Ha!
Should it not be obvious they are as different on the inside as they look on the outside? Just as different breeds of dogs have both different physical and behavioral differences, despite being of the same species, so too do different human races.

All the minorities flooding into the classrooms will just make it harder for our children to find girlfriends/boyfriends of their same race. Most people prefer people from their same race. Stick a handful of white boys in a classroom full of black girls and they will not be nearly as happy as if it had been white girls.
Yet this is what is essentially happening. The schools are being flooded with minorities, and putting the whites in their own classrooms would be "racist".
All this interracial mixing in classrooms is going to lead to a whole lot of identity problems, social isolation, and depression.

Look, I am just saying that I think [northern european] white people look much more attractive (or at least generally do not look repulsive) than other races. White people also have a culture that is much more pleasant to be around, at least from my perspective. People naturally tend to congregate amongst and with other people who are similar to them. We can see this in churches. There tend to be white churches, black churches, and asian churches, even when they are all similar religions.

And it is an indisputable fact that the white population is slowly declining, while other races are having many children. I would hate for white people to disapear in the next few hundred years. White people will soon be a minority in the USA, as most of the babies being born are now non-white. Take a look at the statistics and see how fast the hispanic population has increased in the last generation. If the next generation has as many children as the last one now, there will be far many more people, and very probably declining living standards.

It is not that I do not care about people of other races, but what is wrong with caring more about people of your own race? I care about as much about the middle easterners in my country as I do about the people who are in the Middle East. Many people have idealized fantasies about everyone living together without conflict or poverty, but that simply is simply not a realistic vision of how society can work. Trying to impose such idealized values on everyone else will just result in undoable problems.

Hopefully you can understand this perspective, even if you do not agree with it. I just want my children to continue to live in an area with mostly white people, and to have decent economic opportunities. If someone could guarantee me that, I would be much more open to "tolerance".

Different ethnicities have very different values, different ways of life, different income levels. If the demographics change, there will be big changes in the country, in countless different ways. I think it is important to think about what those changes have already been, and might be in the future, before more change is allowed to happen.

We should be looking at those particular places that have experienced the most demographic change. What has happened in those cities and states? In general, I think I can provide a summary: much higher rates of crime and overburdened schools, hospitals, and social services. Lower wages for unskilled workers. Less open space, and less affordable housing. The wealthy business owners and landowners in these areas have reaped most of the benefits of cheaper labor and growing population.

I think, in the USA especially, people should actually take a good look at how most of their minorities are actually living. Poverty has a way of spreading, it is contagious. No one seems to care about the the fact that so many second generation immigrant families are living in survival mode, not until their children face the same fate and have to compete with that. When a low-standard way of life begins to grow in a wealthy country, fed by changing demographics, there becomes a growing danger that our children will fall into this pit. Best to keep povery outside our countries, then to let it in.

People are having trouble finding decent jobs, especially in the USA and Britain. Many jobs only provide survival-level wages. Immigrants should not be allowed in until the employment problem is fixed. We need decent, and better paying, jobs. Low level jobs only become better paying when there are not enough people to do all the work. In the USA, the government is actually trying to directly create decent paying jobs. It would be far less expensive, and more practical, if the Americans simply tried to make the jobs they do have better paying.

 

I really think you should learn more about how most non-whites actually live, their personal values, and what their political beliefs actually are, before you say there is nothing to worry about. Unfortunately, it can be difficult to get a realistic view of this, because most minorities live in isolated low income neighborhoods.

In my opinion, the fastest way to end immigration would be for the government to actively encourage low-income minority integration directly into the very wealthy communities. Once the wealthy white liberals actually see what all the poorer whites have to deal with, they will change their minds. Making bigger profits will not be worth having to worry about their daughters being raped, or having their house repeatedly robbed. I also think poor minorities should be forcefully integrated into the expensive private schools. The cost to taxpayers would be a small price to pay to make the wealthy deal with the same problems that everyone else deals with, deteriorating school districts.

So in a way, I actually support all these liberal ideological policies- I think they should be used to punish the wealthy. If everyone else has to deal with the problems created by immigrants and minorities, the wealthy (who are the most influential group) should not be allowed to protect themselves. We need break their "walls of money" they have put up to protect themselves from all the problems. Bus in loads of poor unable-to-pay immigrants into their local hospitals also. In the USA, I hope the Americans will protect the right of illegals to form unions. The more to punish the businesses that hired them!

I refuse to allow poor people to exist in my country. Either the muslims should be payed decent wages, OR they should not be allowed in. I do not want any more poverty/low-income families in my country. Better they should suffer in poverty somewhere else. Their poverty leads to plenty of problems for me!

 

Benjamin Franklin seemed to think the Pennsylvania Germans were trying to rebuild their culture in Pennsyvlania. It is a common thing we've always thought about the latest group of immigrants--that they don't want to become part of our country. In 3-4 generations, they become Americanized. When I lived in Miami in the late 1980s, the older Cubans (the ones who came over in the 1960s) were complaining that their kids and grandkids weren't speaking Spanish anymore. It happens. It just takes a while.