Who Is To Blame For The Charlottesville Riot?

LOL, you blame left wing violence on Trump?

 

Good morning MississippiMud,

I disagree with the assertion that you can change people, outside of yourself being that I stand on the foundation that we are all Gods meaning that every one of us dictates our own ideals that stem from individual experiences and constructs our individual world around those ideals and experiences. In saying this, if a person does not deem it necessary or advantageous to change his or her opinion on any given subject, they will not. Because of this reality I tend to let people alone with their beliefs, ideals, and opinions, unless they seek to impose their views on me. I have long given up on changing anyone but myself; I do not seek to change the world, I only seek to build an environment around me (world) that is in agreement with my ideology with people of like minds. In a world of varying opinions and beliefs, it is easy to become entangled and embroiled in conflict, which is part of the reasoning why I say, “A person will only change themselves if it is advantageous and necessary for them to do so”. I do not mean change as a means of attrition, which is equally as wicked as physical violence; I only refer to honest amendment because the person sees the good in said ideological amending. Many people have done things out of attrition, that only builds internal resentment and hatred, which is antithetical to establishing a peaceful environment. This I am not for. I take heed from the Prophets of old in that I only offer an idea because anything that is forced is not the way of Existence.

 

How so are they being active in combating "hate" Renee, by fostering even more hatred by using government to force others to acquiesce to someone else's ideology? All that I see is people running to Daddy Government to resolve issues that are not government's responsibility. The manner in which those of you on the Left resolve hatred, is by going through government, which is wholly unconstitutional and leads to federal and state government overreach, which is part of the problem to begin with. If you cannot see the illogical behavior in the actions of the people on the Left, it is either because you agree with government intrusion or you are gullible and beyond the ability to rationally deduce that some issues cannot be resolved through government. If something offends you, keep away from it.
who have gotten permission from trump to act out.

Hoosier8 and Renee,

Hoosier, as is evidenced through the above citing of Renee's reply to me, she is bent on blaming Mr. Trump for the violence of others.


Renee

You have just stepped out of voicing an opinion to actually accusing a sitting President, who had nothing, absolutely nothing to do with the violence that took place in Charlottesville, N.C. of inciting violence. You are definitely part of the problem. By the way, FYI, legally, what you have done is called, LIBEL.

 

Oh yes,trivialize the almost one thousand hate groups ...who hav

Oh no...trump is going to sue me?? And what I said does not constitute libel. Tell me how I have damaged him...and what isn't true. He damages himself . Yes, hate groups have existed, but follow their growth and the tacit permission trump has given to them. He has to appeal to them and the uneducated whom he adores. (By uneducated, I mean those who don't educate the self) the people who will dismiss the SPLC as .liberal"
From what you have written you seem to be naive...I believe in fighting against hate and bigotry and you choose to wait it out. We just have different priorities. You keep defending the hate groups, I will defend those who protest against them. By the way, who is running to daddy government?

 

You choose to defend people who use violence to suppress free speech - what should we learn from this?

 

No I don t support them. We keep repeating that...violence is counterproductive. You focus on them while you ignore the despicable behavior of the rising hate groups. You attack the messengers rather than the message
And who wants to ban guns? Gun control doesn't mean banning all guns the same way freedom of speech doesn't mean we can yell fire in a movie theatre

 

And yet you believe in their message -- fight the fascists.

I assume you refer to my sig.
Lots of people want to ban 'assault weapons'; 'assault weapons' are guns.

Interesting analogy - and I'm glad you brought it up.
Why does the 1st amendment not protect falsely yelling fire in a theater, and how does that argument translate to the right to keep and bear arms?

 

I did not say anything about suing I specifically said that you are guilty of LIBEL against a sitting president, and your indifference towards the impact of what you have done comes as no surprise to me. As to the SPLC, they are nothing more than alarmists seeking to also spread the hysteria of anti-Semitism, which is funny because by definition, they are anti-Semitic; https://www.britannica.com/topic/Semite. Chicken Little proclaimed the sky was falling; and you claim that the Ku Klux Klan, Neo-Nazis, etc. are on the rise as has been claimed for decades now. There have been no mass assaults or deaths due to the Klan, the Neo-Nazis, or any other hate group, so all you are doing is what your media does, and that is drive fear and emotion for the goal and purpose of more governmental intrusion and overreach. To this, I say "No thank you." All that will come about from such hysteria, that you attempt to spread is repression, repression, repression and any honest student of history knows what the end result of such hysteria leads to. So stop your theatrics.

 

And I KNOW that it does not matter what he is. It was simply bad governing. Trump certainly did his share of bad also, and I KNOW that he is one baad dude. But who knew??

 

Your right , we all need assault weapons....
I don't know why you brought up guns...this is about neonazis strutting their stuff. Heil!

 

It is asinine to think I'm guilty of libel. I worry about the Impact this narcissism sociopath is doing to this country, and you can worry about "the I'mpact I have done."
When you attack the SPLC I know where you stand ....enough said. We have different values. Being silent is being complicit....just like the people in nazi Germany. They too said the same thing

 

Ah. Good that you recognize you cannot have a reasoned conversation on the issue.

YOU brought up guns after YOU saw my sig.
I responded to YOU.

 

I appreciate your view and i can agree with you in part. You cant change what does not want to change. What you can do is offer options. You do this by asking questions. Questions that give them pause to think and consider why they do what they do. You will know when you have asked the right questions by the amount of resistance you receive.

Racism is Hate. Hate is fear. Breakdown the fear and you can help people realize they don't have to hate. Has to be done on an individual level. You wont change the mob. The mob is simple minded and ignorant.

I agree that force is not a solution. At best it is a short lived band-aid. We need to decide ... do we want change or more of the same?

 

You are right...I saw that when I was writing my response and didn't realize it was part of your sig....that's why I was confused. Sorry!

 

Racism isn't necessarily hate or fear....it is the belief that one race is inferior . Acting on that is racism

 

Im glad you said that "Acting on that is racism". There are those who would diminish true racism by playing that card to what are no more than insensitive remarks. Your definition of racism is on point.

The reasons for those racist beliefs are rooted in fear and/or ignorance. Mostly fear. In order to help others change their racist beliefs we must address the fear and ignorance.

 

“I believe there are more instances of the abridgment of the freedom of the people by gradual and silent encroachments of those in power than by violent and sudden usurpations.”
― James Madison

 

MississippiMud,
My concern towards what is called racism is complete indifference; if some hates me, big deal, because there are people and things that I actually hate as well, to be honest.

My ambivalence comes directly from me knowing that I seriously do not have serious concern over what another person thinks of me. Love and Hate, Like and Dislike are all subjective and relative and play a part in every person’s life, regardless to what they may claim or present to other people. As I have stated, I am not in the business of changing “the world” nor people within “the world”. If people are comfortable with hating others, I say let them alone within their comfort zone; let sleeping dogs lie. As reality only relates to how a person thinks of others which never was never the issue, the issue revolves around how people treat and interact with others, be it bad or good or indifferent, negative or positive. If a person does not like someone else, for various reasons, it is on them how they precede from the point of their decision of said person; not whether they have personal emotions of said person or not. It is about behavior, not thought that does not translate into behavior, and even if thought does translate, it is up to the person who is the recipient of said behavior, how they then choose to proceed.

 

I for one am not comfortable with people hating others...we see where hate has led to slaughtered millions and people were silent. Bring silent is being complicit !

 

It is your prerogative to not be comfortable with people hating others, Renee. I have not the time to fret over people who hate being that their hatred is an expression of their exclusive freedom to do so, and being that I am a Man who acknowledges and accepts my own freedoms, it is incumbent upon me to not be hypocritical and respect other people’s right in the same regard. It is all about living free and wanting the same for other people’s Freedom, Justice, Equality and Independence. As I have inferred in previous posts, I also do not allow other people’s paranoia to encroach upon the freedoms of others and myself.

 

I dedicate this to MississippiMud, because within the lyrics Mississippi Mud is mentioned

Danzig - When The Dying Calls

 

You make a great point that we all can learn from. We need to learn that it is ok to be uncomfortable. It seems that concept is being lost these days. My discomfort is my responsibility. We are trending away from this. We are into the point where many would shut down that which is uncomfortable rather than learn from it. I see this trend spilling over into the racism discussion frequently. Deeds not words can be racist. Words can be insensitive or uncomfortable.

We can all learn from the late poet Khalil Gibran
"Only those beneath me can envy or hate me. I have never been envied nor hated; I am above no one. Only those above me can praise or belittle me. I have never been praised nor belittled; I am below no one."

 

White nationalist scumbags are leading the poll, it must be time to call it fake left wing news.

 

Commentary on Hatred and Fear

To begin this commentary, I will give the two types of Hatred and Fear:

Hatred, there is a positive hatred and a negative hatred and both revolve around and are predicated upon influential experiences and impacts that are behind the reasons why you hate that which you hate and what it is that you hate and why such hatred exists.

Hatred has to commonly used definitions, the first of them is: extreme dislike or disgust.

The second commonly used definition is: Ill will or resentment that is usually mutual: prejudiced hostility or animosity.

Going by the accepted dictionary definitions of the word hatred, it is easily perceived that not all hatred is negative, such as hatred for evil people, e.g.: criminals, rapists, thieves, robbers, murderers, kidnappers, etc. To say that hatred is based on fear and emotion, belittles the legitimate reasoning behind hatred of behaviors that are not only anti-social, but of deep-rooted psychopathologies as well. All hatred is engendered by negative experience with behaviors that are usually outside of the normal living condition of the person who has experienced the negative impact of behavioral undertakings of himself, herself or from a person other than themselves. And to belittle the engendered hatred by equating it with fear, minimizes the reason(s) as to why the hatred exists.

Fear has four commonly associated definitions to the word, the first of which is: archaic – Frighten. The second is: archaic – To feel fear in (oneself). The third being: To have reverential awe of. The fourth and final definition is: To be afraid of: expect with alarm.

After reading the definitions of fear, it is easy to understand why equating hatred to fear alone, is unreasonable and likely to cause resentment because the person who is labelled as having fear or the commonly politically charged word, phobias is typically used to cause embarrassment in a person who will automatically become defensive which for all purposes and intents comes from the person feeling alienated, ridiculed, rejected, and minimized. These sentiments are natural being that we live in a politically charged environment that is often utilized to eliminate any opposition and other types of challenges to the desired outcome which is oft-time complete acquiescence to politically motivated agendas.

For people who are either religious or morally sound, Allah (God) hates and states as much in Taurat, Al-Jadid (second part of Bible which contains the teachings and guidance from Nabi Isa), and Holy Qur’an. Does Allah (God; Al-Alaa) fear? I would assume not, His hatred, which can be found the aforementioned books, deals with and describes people committing evil acts upon others. His hatred is not from fear, but from disdain of those who are counterproductive to peace and balance. Injustice garners hatred, disdain, hostilities, animosity, and ultimately bloodshed (warfare).

 

MississippiMud,
You have expressed my sentiments on this topic, precisely and exactly, and I thank you.

By the way, I like your moniker and I am not just saying to because we agree.