Who was lying, gillard or robott

I truly don't believe it is a tax. The fixed price period was recommended as a mechanism to provide business certainty. It is core to a successful CTS and was recommended by garnaut and other respected international economists. It behaves like a tax as gillard may have stated herself but it doesn't fund government expenditure that is not associated with the end goal and addressing issues associated with introducing a CTS. It isnt an ongoing imposition in this form as is what everyone is carrying on as though it is. So again, it is an CTS/ETS with an essential fixed priced period.

 

It`s plain that some people just shouldn`t try sarcasm. It may be the lowest form of wit, but still out of reach for some. Can you see that even you aren`t actually accusing Abbott of lying? What you are accusing Abbott of doesn`t constitute lying. Somehow, you`ve confused someone objecting to the world`s biggest carbon price with lying.



Thank you to all the applicants, but the position for blindly obedient robot has been filled.

 

A tax by any other name is a tax.

 

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TV, I like this post.
It tells me a lot. You say, "I truly believe", whereas most others have only ever said,thee truth is, or Whatsee said, or I know etc

When one says, I truly believe, you know it's from the heart, something "thought about"..

 

Deceit by any other name is a lie! I mean Abbott changed his position so many times dependent on the political climate. Firstly he wanted an ETS with a fixed price, which he supported when they were in government, then he wanted a "simple" tax, when it looked likely the gillard government were going to be successful with its introduction, and now he wants the Australian taxpayer to pay for it through " direct action", but changes his mind on whether he believes in AGW. In between all this he didnt know whether any action should be taken at all, and all in the space of a couple of years on such a huge issue. Go figure!!. Direct action is an indirect tax. The libs have a $70 bil black hole in their budget already, so I wonder where revenue will come from to cover their programs. Let me guess, increased taxes without compensation to the low socio economic.

Gillard always said that there would be a price on carbon and never changed her position, despite others jumping on the Abbott rhetoric band wagon to suggest otherwise. Deceit=lie, no matter how you dress it up. In your case it is just a Change of "positions", but let's be honest and just say he was simply being deceitful(lying). "I'll do anything to get that job, the only thing I won't do is sell my arrrrssse". So yes, Abbot would have introduced an ETS with a fixed price period!

 

Thanks DV. You can never be too sure of anything but death and dare I say it "taxes". There is ample enough information and explanation for me to stand strongly on this position. I was briefly blinded but knew there had to be more to it.

 

The context in question was when was that video of Abbott recorded because it seemed to be unreferenced and spliced onto the end of a seperate news clip. Is that so friggin hard to work out !? If its from 2009/2010 I didn't see where it said that.

It's not a lie to take different positions on a policy over time. Its a lie to tell the Australian public an absolute position on a decision for a term in office days before an election as part of an election campaign for that same term being elected, to then a few months later do the exact thing she said she wouldnt. You can call it whatever you like but the reality is we now have a carbon tax in her term of office which she clearly said she'd never introduce if elected = lie.

Makes me wonder 'WTF' you ALP supporters are smokin... is it rolled up Lib brochures or rolled up ALP brochures because its working a treat for you.

 

This coming from a guy who openly announced he likes a good old choof! You're on the wrong stuff dude, make sure it is all naturalle!

 

So your a greenie

 

TV, your argument is so weak that it supports abbott. As you rightly say, Abbott didn`t rush into the World`s biggest Carbon pricing scam, in cases like this, we need prudent, sensible leaders. Anyone with an ounce of logic can see that Gillard is a confirmed liar, to play ducks & drakes with odds & ends doesn`t fool a sensible person.

Furthermore, you have quoted Windsor, who has less credability than a rat with a gold tooth.

 

Pleeassse.....lol! He changes his position based on political climate, not because of prudence.(tell me you were being facetious here aussie) It shows how unstable this guy is and how destructive he will be to Australia if he gets his hands on us. He is one of those highly dangerous political opportunists. You wont have to worry about boat people coming here, people will be jumping on their leaky boats to go over there in exchange...........look i don't think it will be that bad but sad all the same. Turnbull is the best option for the libs. They'd be crazy not to reinstate him. They'll lose the unloseable election with this guy. I'd just about put my house on it!

 

TV, I`m not too keen on Abbott, although the country would me better looked after under the conservatives than the present cluster of clowns. I prefer Abbott to Turnbull though, just don`t trust Turnbull. I wonder how julie Bishop would go? Costello would be the pick.

 

This is the typical mantra of Abbott and his cronies Aussie. The labor government have saved our arrrrrssses. Every economist the world over applaudes the labor government but the conserves and people who get caught up in their propaganda. I mean their feats have been listed time and time again on various threads and also applauded. It is such a croc of sh1t this negativity, and sorry Aussie you are only repeating the Abbott mantra which is slowly being exposed. Abbott's mantra of negativity was a short term ploy in the hope everything would fall over Quickly for labor, but it hadn't. It is all heading up for labor as has been predicted numerous times due to the stupid and national confidence destroying tactics of the self centered libs, which are being exposed. The libs will lose what has been thought to be the unloseable election come next year.

 

Of course his argument is weak, you don't agree with it so IT MUST BE WRONG, after all, you are the expert. Hmmm the polls are changing, maybe people are realizing that all the garbage spin spun by the Liberals, their financiers (miners and big business), their spokespersons (radio jocks and media), their leader, the honorable, multidimensional (depending on whim not logic), lying (unless written down) Tony Abbot, is just that ... GARBAGE.

Of course Windsor isn't credible, he doesn't agree with you, so HE MUST BE WRONG.

Finally, if I saw a rat with a gold teeth, I think I would be lookin' at a pretty smart rat!

 

The usual reverse gear of Abbott supporters.

He has openly stated that he will oppose whatever the government put on the table, after all, he is the opposition, it's his job.
He has openly stated that he is not to be believed, unless he is saying what has been written down for him.
He has absolutely no policies to replace anything he is trying to stop, uses the good Australian attitude, "She'll be right mate", a wink and a smile.
He has little-to-no grasp on the reality of the 21st century, he and most of his conservative mates are still "Living in the 50's".

 

Reading from the ALP pamphlets again?

Wrong. Prove it. He has supported many things. Your quote is in regards to a particular example no doubt, where anything they ALP put on which did not agree with the Lib's position was not acceptable - and that is perfectly acceptable behavior for an opposition party on particular topics.

It's the way the world works. Verbal contract's are open to interpretation and so things need to be written so effective context can be presented. Its just logical but stupid people do not understand the joke he was making.

The Lib's have lots of policies, but of course you do realize that its the government to create and manage policy - its what the public service does. The opposition party does not have the engine of the APS behind it to run a shadow government. The ALP have been notorious for having zero policies until the last week of the election.... in fact when KRudd got into office they did effectively nothing for three years except instigate and wait for reviews into issues to make policies up for them. At least the Liberals were able to carry over most of their policies from when they were last in government.... not something KRudd government was able to do.

Pffft, in what way, because he wears speedo's like a surf lifesaver when he does triathlons LOL, sounds like you might be suffering pen%s envy. Or is it because he has Christian values, yea thats really 'old' and not to mention those people with beliefs other then mine must be dumb... yea hate is good (join the ALP). Sounds like your just trying to demonize him as if 'old' is a bad thing. Even if you were right - look around, hardly an effective argument. Some people I know think the 50's city Australia were the best times for human behaviors and manners. You'd be surprised how superficial your 21st century is. You know its true, have a baby sheep over an open flame.

 

What are you waffling on about axial? There is nothing of substance in your thesis here, just shallow excuses.

 

Garbage in garbage out, its a waffling response to a waffle post.

 

What have the conservatives done to revolutionalise Australia and move us forward in terms of policy or anything for that matter? Sweet nothing! which is why you are waffling on dude. They have done the same thing as every other conservative government who went down with the GFC.....promoted destructive short term gain that equates to massive debt. They squallered the best opportunity Australia ever had but simply let everything erode. It took labor to once again do the revolutionary work, such as education, NBN, health, NDIS, and carbon pollution reduction etc etc.

The false fifties hey!!! You are definitely persuaded by mainstream media dude. The fifties was a time when everyone had to conform to popular culture and everyone feared being different. Was'nt such a free society from what I heard. The conservatives simply see no value in being different but live in fear of people having values different to what they think is right......delusional!! Get off your high horse dude!

 

LOL, thanks for adding more waffle.

It aint no horse, its called having high standards. Height is of course a relative term so I compare politicians to the same standards I apply to myself. The ALP fails this test, and the Liberals seem to pass this test. The Green's are just weird... on one hand they have interesting ideals but they seem to completely lose the plot when it comes to implementation.

 

I cant help myself.....This coming from somebody who likes the old whacky tabacky!

Just another shallow swipe to reinforce your deluded conservative view. I mean intolerance isn't high standards is it? Lying and deception isn't high standards is it? Causing division isn't high standards is it? Self interest isn't high standards is it?

Caring for others and the future generation are the type high standards we need as a society, not some shallow concept of how we think other people should be in relation to subjective values! Get it right dude and get off your high horse!

 

Judging by your standards TV, you must really hate Gillard.

 

Abbott must be so proud of you, you make statements with no substance, you oppose everything with no justification, and when your statements are questioned you don't have an answer so you yap around like a lost puppy. Hey you could be in the liberal party. You have the necessary mental deficits.

 

Speaking of statements with no substance, please see above.