Who's Life do you Save?

no it doesn't. riptides flow out from the shore....once they are out far enough they are weak and you swim perpendicular to them then turn back to shore.

 

If you are in the shallow waters of the Florida Keys....or off the East Coast of Africa there are areas where because the water is so shallow and the storms so strong......Rip Tide Channels can exist 1/2 Mile or longer and these channels are DEEP so when waves come in they drain into the channel and as anyone who has every been around the Florida Keys.....the water depth can remain only 4 to 6 feet deep for many many miles.

You get a good storm you can have a channel dug that is 10 feet deep and about 50 to 200 feet wide and a person could be walking into the water and be only waist deep and take a step to the left or right depending on what side of the channel they are on and find themselves in 10 feet or deeper water being sucked out to sea!

As a Master Diver WE USE THESE to quickly propel us out far toward reefs that are 1/4 to 1/2 mile from shore if we are Shore Diving.

If a person finds themself sucked into one of these and if the water level like in the Keys, Miami Beach...etc....remains no deeper than 4 to 6 feet for miles.....a person can find themselves sucked into one of these channels and they must allow it to bring them out until the drag on their body is minimal and they should relax and allow it to pull them out....then SWIM PARALLEL WITH THE SHORELINE TO THE LEFT OR RIGHT....AND THEN THEY CAN EASILY GET BACK IN.

AboveAlpha

 

so you agree with me.........

 

It's what I have been posting since I started this topic.

AA

 

no it is not. But that is okay at least you will admit that the question makes no sense.

 

The last one. She is the one that has a future.

 

Partly true. I think you are mixing rips (currents in the channels between sandbars, produced by waves coming in over the sandbar, with nowhere to go, until they make a channel in the sandbar. Rips do't extend much beyond 100 yards past the breakers) with the current going through cuts (tidal current, produced by an outgoing high tide) (which can go a long way).

 

You are correct.....they usually extend at most 100 yards past the breakers....but in areas in the Keys....OH!!! In areas around CANCUN MEXICO......the ocean water remains very shallow for miles out but as the Mexican Government and Developers wanted a nice BEACH.....they brought in a lot of sand and in some areas SAND MINED the ocean floor which is only 15 to 30 feet deep for miles and miles out.

A big storm comes in and cuts a channel not just 100 or 200 yards out but 1/2 a mile and this channel is starting right at the shore and is approx. 200 feet wide.

I dive Cozumel often and Cozumel is an island in the Caribbean Sea off the Eastern coast of Mexico's Yucatán Peninsula.....but the Night Life is in Cancun so after spending multiple days drift diving we fly over to Cancun.

That night there was a particularily BRUTAL STORM which started at about 10 pm and ended at 6 am.

By the time I woke up as we went out all night I was ready for a jump in the ocean and the Black Flags were up.

Now the place I stay at in Cancun which is near the reaf and the entrance to the Salt Water Lagoon.....well they know me well and always let me swim no matter what flag is out there.

As I was walking down the steps to the water....I SAW IT!!!

A MONSTER RIP TIDE!!

About 150 to 200 feet across and it just went out to sea for at least a 1/2 mile!!

You can tell because the water there is clear as a bell and the Channel that was dug by the storm had made the water a deep blue compared to the rest of the water on either side of the channel which was a Blue Green shade.

The Rip Tide went directly through and right between 2 large reefs so I went back to the room got Sky and we just put on our Snorkle, Face Mask and Fin's plus Dive Knife and Gloves and watch and compass.....and grabbed our Underwater Cameras....walked right into the center of that Rip Tide and our first step went from ANKLE DEEP TO WAIST DEEP!! LOL!!!

The waves were heavy and we were shot out to sea like a water cannon.....and as we are both Master Divers....we were smart enough to wear a light weight Dive Belt as this is used to compensate for Human Bouyancy and as we were not using Compressed Air Tanks.....or BC's...etc.....just a bit f weight on our belts is all we needed to easily swim toward the edges underwater of the Rip Tides Channel and using our Foot Fin's.....POWER OUT OF THE RIP TIDE.....and spend time around one reef after another!!!

Fantastic FUN!!!

AboveAlpha

 

OK....I am going to try to extend an OLIVE BRANCH HERE.....and I just want to ask one question and if you could answer it for me I would appreciate it.

What is it about this particular exercise in LOGIC that you feel makes no sense??

It make perfect sense to me and many others.

The choice of using the names of Jesus, Moses, Einstein and 11 year old little Betty was to show that if you are a LIFE GUARD...or even if your just an experienced swimmer.....and there are 3 Men and 1 Little Girl....and all are in the process of DROWNING......which person is the correct choice to save first even if you think the other's might drown before you can get back to them.....and the CLEAR CHOICE IS BETTY!

Not because she is 11.....but because she is EASY TO HANDLE compared to the other Men.

I would first go directly to Betty and while doing that attempt to calm down the other men who are exhausted and drowning and if Betty struggled as I don't have time to explain how I wil save her if after I tell her to trust me and she will be safe and go home alive....and she begins to panic.....I WOULD KNOCK BETTY OUT!

After I did this I would secure Betty to myself and then see if any of the 3 men....Jesus, Moses and Einstein.....were CALM ENOUGH.....to come travel out to sea a bit before swimming parrallel to the shore and if on the Atlantic Coast I would 90% of the time have to swim NORTH.......CALM ENOUGH TO JOIN THE NOW UNCONSCIOUS BETTY AND MYSELF.

Sometimes it is the OLDEST MAN.....who is the one you would add as he is usually just EXHAUSTED and does not have any strength left to panic and pull me down....plus he would also be easy for me to KNOCK OUT!

So say I have Betty unconscious and the Elderly Man just doing what I tell him to do....and we have to swim out about 250 yards from shore and then I start traveing North and then bring them both in!

Now I have Jesus and Moses....both barely afloat....but they have been swept out a good 1000 feet now from the shoreline.

Usually a Lifeguard Station would have a Jet Ski or a Boat or at least a Surf Board....but let's say this one has nothing.

I would make sure of course EM SERVICES have been called before I first went in but hey.....Foreign Country...who knows how long it will take?

I would then dive in using flippers this time if I had them and power down as fast as I could toward the men drowning.

Most likely by this time one of the two would probably be underwater having inhaled water and I would pick one of either Jesus or Moses or whever was still above water.

If both were above water unfortunately unlike Hollywood Movies or TV Shows knocking out a full grown man while you are in the water is not easy and most likely at this point either man Moses or Jesus would be in a complete state of Panic.

I have methods of coming up behind a person and placing them in a hold that shuts off blood and oxygen to their brain which if done properly upon a man who is lacking in 02....will put them out quickly.....as knocking out litle Betty and ONLY IF ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY......I can do relatively safely.......using BLUNT FORCE KINETIC IMPACT upon a full grown man.....and the safest way is a punch directly above the CRANIAL RIDGE and dead center of their forehead about 3 to 4 inches from a point dead center between their eye's......this being attempted in the WATER could cause a mispunch where I could hit their eye if they turned and since we are in water the slipping of the fist upon forehead skin is possible.

This is why I have a DIVE KNIFE which I always wear strapped to my lower leg which has a BLUNT SOLID AND HEAVY METAL FLANGED END.....and as my Dive Knife has FINGER AND HAND GUARDS...parts of the metal handle of the knife that prevent a person from holding the handle and stabbing forward for their grip to slip and this happens all the time with knives without these Guards....as a persons grip slips and their hands and fingers get cut.

AA

 

My answer is the question is stupid and not a single master diver training course or test would use it. Since you didn't even know the difference between riptides and rip currents I have question how we trust anything you say about this. You have already changed the original conditions in your story here. So again I say the question has no logic and you showed none in this explanation. So let me ask you which agencies test for master diver would have this question on their test?

 

I know all this, for the record. Where I grew up, all kids learned this stuff as a matter of course. Only migrants and tourists get caught in rips here. Many of us are swimming out the back in 8' surf by the time we're 10.

 

Wow. Just Wow. I am in awe of the monumental lack of respect for the intelligence of others in your lies. Special Operator, Master diver, and now on tour with the most successful bands around. If you're a brain surgeon too, you are Buckaroo Banzai! Great movie, BTW.

 

AA, just an observation here; do you think it's wise to tell KM how to knock someone out? In his youthful cockiness, he may try it, do it wrong, and seriously injure (or kill) someone...

 

At first I thought to myself .. "tough question". Then I started the process of elimination.

Jesus - The over 1000 years of horror conducted by the Catholic Church, the destruction of knowledge and promotion of illiteracy. Jesus goes first.

Moses goes second - He was a murderous maniac and a control freak.

Einstein vs Betty hmm Betty gets the boot ! Advancements in science due to the work of folks like Einstein have created things I like.

 

I pretty much know how to handle myself.

I am not youthful and I don't tend to take advise from people who make up things to make themselves feel special

 

Well, there are a few ways to look at this:

My thoughts:

1. Jesus can walk on water, no need to save him. And anyway, why isn't he saving people?
2. Moses can part the waters, so no need to save him. And anyway, why isn't he saving people?
3. Einstein is smart enough to know how to get out of a riptide.
4. So I save the girl. And chew out Jesus and Moses afterwards.

 

Hey ROCKET MAN!!!

A Rip Tide...and here is the definition.....Rip tide or riptide, also known as an ebb jet or tidal jet, is a strong tidal flow of water within estuaries and other enclosed tidal areas.

Although what most people call Rip Tides are actually Rip Currents which is simply a channel cut into the sand leading up to the shore of a beach.....I AM TALKING ABOUT A RIP TIDE WHICH IS MUCH LONGER AND IN THE CASE I WAS DESCRIBING IN CANCUN WAS A RIP TIDE FOLLOWING THOUGH A NETWORK OF REEFS!!!

I TRIED being nie to you.

Now I can see you are simply just a very small minding individual who seeks attention.

Sad really.

AboveAlpha

 

Yeah.....I was fully adapted to swim in heavy surf when I was just a kid myself.

AboveAlpha

 

Oh and there is NAUI, PADI, SDI, not to mention the Military and other U.S. Agency Training to become certified a Master Diver plus there is training using Heliox.

The question is one for a Life Guard not Master Diver.

AboveAlpha

 

Jesus saves us all by calming the storm. Moses splits the water and we all walk out.

#cheatcode

 

I save Betty. Three adult males are on their own. Little girl comes first. Period. Not even a question.

 

Betty.

The next child she gives birth to could be the next Einstein or the next Jesus or the next Moses.

 

Really!! LOL!!!

Here is a question for you or any other member.

At Sea Level.....there is 1 ATM.....or 1 Atmosphere of Pressure.

Dry Air is composed of approximate 20.95% oxygen and 78.08% nitrogen, along with 0.93% argon and 0.04% trace gases.

So....every 33 feet down underwater is equal to another 1 ATM....or another Atmosphere of Pressure at Sea Level.

I found this explaination very informanative for those who never could understand what the Weatherman is saying as far as Barometric Pressure.

Atmospheric pressure at sea level is the result of the EFFECT of gravity on the matter above sea level (the atmospheric gases). The amount of matter is not constant due to the height and density of the atmosphere (mostly due to temperature and water content/humidity).


Unfortunately for the student, there are many, many different units for measuring atmospheric pressure. Standard air pressure at sea level is most easily defined as 1 atmosphere, or 1 atm.

In terms of an international (ISO) standard, it is defined to be 101325 Pa or 101.3 kPa (kilo-Pascals) at a temperature of 15 °C. In meteorology outside of the United States (and sometimes among scientists in the USA), hPa (hectoPascal) is most commonly used (=1013.25 hPa)
Note that a Pascal is also equal to N/m2 - Newtons per square meter, while 1 hpa = 1 mb (millibar) which is convenient for meteorologists, as noted above. Therefore, standard atmospheric pressure also = 1.01325 bar = 1013.25 mb.

The metric value is commonly accepted to be 760mmHg (millimeters of mercury, also "torr"). "Millimeters of Mercury" is a measure that come from a kind of barometer (pressure meter) that uses a column of mercury in a glass tube to measure pressure: The higher the pressure, the taller the column of mercury.

In American units of measure, it's 29.92 in. Hg (inches of mercury) or 14.696 psi (pounds per square inch). This means that, at sea level, the weight of air pressing on every square inch of something is almost 15 pounds.

Something to think about: If you had 1 square inch of room-temperature mercury that was 29.92" tall, it would weigh ... 14.696 pounds!

Again, these are the average atmospheric pressures only at sea level. Pressure drops as we gain altitude; for instance, in Denver, approximately 1 mile above sea level, atmospheric pressure drops to approximately 12.2 PSI or 841.4 millibar.
If you were at sea level, the weight of the air pressing down on you would be 1.03 kilograms per square centimeter.or 1013.25 millibars.

LINK....http://www.answers.com/Q/What_is_the_air_pressure_at_sea_level

Anyways....we will approx. what we do here.

A person takes a breath of air at Sea Level.....1 Atm....question is...what percentage of Oxygen and what percentage of Nitrogen Gases to they breath in?

Answer is obvious as I already posted the percentages at 1 Atm at Sea Level.

Now....let's ask so more difficult questions.

At 99 feet down underwater a Scuba Diver who is breathing Air from a Regulator attached to their tank or tanks of compressed dry air are breathing in what percentage of Nitrogen and Oxygen Gases per breathful?

At 99 feet down underwater a Scuba Diver breathing Compressed Air is experiencing how many ATM's of Pressure upon their BODY?

At 99 feet down a Scuba Diver is breathing what percentage greater or lesssor of 02 per average breathful?

At 99 feet down a scuba diver is breathing what percentage greater or lessor of Nitrogen Gas per Average Breathful?

How many Atm's of pressure does compressed air FREE FLOW OUT at 132 Feet down Underwater if say there is no Diver but just a tank of Compressed Air sitting on the ocean floor which happens to be 132 feet deep from Sea Level?

What percentage of Oxygen and Nitrogen Gases are being released from that tank 132 feet down and how many Atm's of Pressure is that Compressed Air, the Percentage of Nitrgen and Oxygen Gases being released at?

How many Atm's of pressure is being applied to the Tank of Compressed Air at 66 feet down underwater?

How much pressure is being applied to the Metal Tank as it sits at sea level?

And if a person filled their lungs with a big deep and long breath at 132 feet down underwater.....how many times the cubic feet of air would be released from their lungs at 66 feet if they MOST DANGEROUSLY.....ROSE FROM 132 FEET UNDERWATER HAVING FILLED THEIR LUNGS WITH COMPRESSED AIR AT THAT DEPTH.....AND THEN HELD INN THE AIR TILL THEY REACHED 66 Feet IN DEPTH AND OPENED THEIR MOUTH AND NOSE AND ALLOWED THE AIR TO ESCAPE THEY BREATHED IN AND HEALD IN AT 132 eet down underwater?

HINT....doing this would most likely KILL THEM!!!

AboveAlpha

 

Or she could just be a hot broad that puts it in her own butt without the guy having to beg. That's marriage material just based on that one trait.

 

The answer is Red Breast 21 year old Single Pot. Seriously. For any question. Or for no question at all. God I'm f**cking buzzed right now. I gotta stay out of my whiskey collection or its gonna eventually be worthless. If I can finish this bottle off this weekend, I think I wanna open an 18 Hakushu I bought a few months ago.