Why Am I Paying For A War In Ukraine ?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inter-American_Treaty_of_Reciprocal_Assistance

 

words lead to conclusions. If you don’t like doing anything to help Ukraine, then by definition you are willing to see them conquered and if you are willing to see Russia conquer Ukraine then the question is begged: at what point do you start having a problem with Russia taking over any country it feels like

doesn’t look to me like you have one. Feel free to enlighten me however

 

He doesn't NEED to. There's a much bigger picture at play, and it's not just Russia who's playing it.

I doubt all Eastern Europeans are dumb enough to believe the Western propaganda.

 

Why do you waste my time? Venezuela has been out of the Rio Treaty, and the action of the National Assembly to rejoin was quashed by the Supreme Court. Currently Venezuela feels more threated by the Rio Treaty than a part of it.

Now about Russia? How's that US-Russian defense treaty coming along?

 

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...ido-warns-its-no-magic-solution-idUSKCN1UI2JX

 

Wow.

"Venezuela has been out of the Rio Treaty, and the action of the National Assembly to rejoin was quashed by the Supreme Court."

So why did you deliberately choose a story that told only a part of the whole, when you already knew this action led nowhere? That seems deceptive. And what's up with our defense treaty with Russia you claim we have?

 

Yes, the Graft. And 10% for the Big Guy.

 

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I believe you're paying for the Ukrainian war because Joe had debts to repay, both to the Ukrainians, and to Russia. So, this is what happens. Joe promises a little piece of the Ukraine to Russia, and at the same time, Joe drives up the world price of oil by creating instability, that funds the Russian war effort. And at the same tie joe gets congress to spend billions in aid to Ukraine to make it look like he isn't just paying off his Ukrainian benefactors. There are a lot of criminal acts going on in the administration in regards to this war.

 

The treaty is an international agreement in which the Venezuelan supreme court doesn't have the authority to make decisions on. The OAS to this day still recognizes Venezuela as a member of the treaty

http://www.oas.org/juridico/english/sigs/b-29.html

 

Where do you get the idea that a treaty overrides Venezuelan Supreme Court? You may be thinking of the US. Now, what's with that Russian defense pact?

 

Because Putin threatens the world order in the same way Hitler did in the 1930s. If Ukraine goes well for Putin in the end, it will embolden him to attack more countries to restore Soviet glory, which is more likely to lead to a more significant war if it's a nato member.

 

No. Pres. Putin was responding to big threats, not to weakness.

 

Buy into the fairy tale, do you?

Using Hitler analogy is a weakness to a point.
I grew up with it as a kid, leading to Vietnam.


Moi
Give Ukraine aid to Sweden & Finland
NATO's 2 newbies. Costs! Blood, the whole
Policing The World package

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Being here on PF, people like you made me think, but new ideas just make most people just shout louder.

 

I have been against most wars we've involved ourselves in, including Vietnam, the second Iraq war, and staying longer than a year in Afghanistan though going in was fine with me. This isn't a civil war between countries deciding on socialism vs capitalism. This is an imperialistic land grab, and not his first, just the most ambitious attempt so far. It's escalating.

 

While Euros enjoy medical & dental services
financed by . . . .

What Part Do YOU Disagree?
Thank You

Moi
Nationalist unashammed

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Not sure what you're getting at. Our support of Ukraine now is sort of like our support of Afghanistan against the Soviets. That's much more similar than Vietnam. Main difference here is that Ukraine is a bit more sympathetic of a victim, given they're not a bunch of crazy theocrats. I have no problem with socialism or capitalism. I think they're tools and it's foolish to devote oneself to one or the other.

 

lol... threats to his vision of reuniting the Russian empire/USSR maybe.

 

YES!



What piece of "YES"
don't YOU get?


Moi


BTW a Declaration of War is in
the Constitution

 

Pres. Putin has spoken on that very topic, did you listen to it?

Or did you just assume he lies as much as Biden does?

In fairness to Biden, he's just reading the crap off a teleprompter.

 

Well, you/we all, have to be nationalists.

If we can't take care of our own nation why would anyone trust us to look after the whole world?

 

It was the Venezuelan president who declared the court doesn't have jurisdiction over foreign policy, and that Venezuela would remain a part of the treaty. This is recognized internationally, I literally just linked you to the OAS's website showing Venezuela is still recognized as being a part of the agreement.

 

Please provide evidence for your unsubstantiated claim

 

I think the US recognized the Supreme Court decision. Also if you asked Blinken I would be curious to know his answer to the question of a mutual defense treaty with Venezuela. Now, why do you refuse to respond to my query about our alleged mutual defense treaty with Russia? That seems like a much bigger deal than Venezuela.

 

You would be wrong, the US is a member of the same international treaty, and as a member of the treaty, we must recognize all members of the treaty. Again, what I just showed you was a link from the OAS website itself, it doesn't get any more clear cut and dry in showing that Venezuela is still formally a member of the treaty. I can yield that the Budapest Memorandum isn't formally a defense agreement, but to argue that Venezuela is not currently a member of the Rio Treaty, you might as well be arguing that the sky is pink. Venezuela is current member of the treaty, if you want to argue that you don't believe this will last, that is one thing, but to say they are not currently a member is incorrect.